Former Packer prez John Jones

[Patler]

But you didn't have to be spacific. Just say "We are going in a different firection due to Jones's helath concerns". Thats it. NO liability. Nothing. It was just a simple mistake by Harlan.

You can expose yourself to liability without being specific, the mere implication of a significant health issue can do it. What you suggested, stating that Jones health was of concern to the Packers so much so that they pulled the job away from him is plenty enough to do it.

However, I defer to KYPack on this, that it really wasn't the health issue anyway. I'm just saying that even if it was due to health concerns they still might not have said anymore than what they did, without approval from Jones to do so.

[cpk1994]

But you didn't have to be spacific. Just say "We are going in a different firection due to Jones's helath concerns". Thats it. NO liability. Nothing. It was just a simple mistake by Harlan.

You can expose yourself to liability without being specific, the mere implication of a significant health issue can do it. What you suggested, stating that Jones health was of concern to the Packers so much so that they pulled the job away from him is plenty enough to do it.

However, I defer to KYPack on this, that it really wasn't the health issue anyway. I'm just saying that even if it was due to health concerns they still might not have said anymore than what they did, without approval from Jones to do so.

Agree to disagree then. I feel that Harlan made a mistake by saying next to nothing becuase it created uneeded speculation.

[Patler]

Agree to disagree then. I feel that Harlan made a mistake by saying next to nothing becuase it created uneeded speculation.

I understand that it had the result you said, and I agree that speculation could have been diminished with a different statement. However, I can assure you (I'm not speculating here) that many, many companies and organizations have completely removed any reference to health issues or topics from any statement about an individual, and will instead say "personal reasons".

[KYPack]

At the time of the firing, Harlan was specifically asked if the health situation was the reason for the "leave of absence".

Harlan was blunt and candid and stated the health concerns were NOT the reason for the decision.

You know Harlan. He was and is a straight shooter.

The Jones hire was a huge mistake on Bob's part.

He realized it and fixed it.

He showed balls by owning and admitting his mistake.

[cpk1994]

At the time of the firing, Harlan was specifically asked if the health situation was the reason for the "leave of absence".

Harlan was blunt and candid and stated the health concerns were NOT the reason for the decision.

You know Harlan. He was and is a straight shooter.

The Jones hire was a huge mistake on Bob's part.

He realized it and fixed it.

He showed balls by owning and admitting his mistake.

Yes he did show balls. But he handled it poorly and created needless speculation which could have been easily avoided.

[sheepshead]

I dont get this. All this being health related is speculation. Even if it was, there is no way on Gods green earth that it can be the official reason. What if you were HIV positive , were fired from a job for being total failure and fuck off and your employer said and oh by the way, he's got AIDs.
A football team cant ruin a guys career any more than a machine shop in Oshkosh can.

[mraynrand]

I dont get this. All this being health related is speculation. Even if it was, there is no way on Gods green earth that it can be the official reason. What if you were HIV positive , were fired from a job for being total failure and fuck off and your employer said and oh by the way, he's got AIDs.
A football team cant ruin a guys career any more than a machine shop in Oshkosh can.

I think the problem is with your fuel injection

[sheepshead]

I dont get this. All this being health related is speculation. Even if it was, there is no way on Gods green earth that it can be the official reason. What if you were HIV positive , were fired from a job for being total failure and fuck off and your employer said and oh by the way, he's got AIDs.
A football team cant ruin a guys career any more than a machine shop in Oshkosh can.

I think the problem is with your fuel injection

Hey, I'm a pitcher, not a catcher!

[KYPack]

Here's Rob Demovsky's column from July 07.

This is a "Cliff Notes" version of things I've heard about Jones.

Jones was a little nightmare around the Packer Offices. Harlan dragged his feet in making a move and firing Jones. After Jones' medical problems, he was screwing up even worse. Before the heart problem, Jones was going to be released from his postion. He was abrasive, ego-centric, and untrustworthy. He was a marginal employee, let alone a chairman and CEO.

"A couple of weeks ago, during my annual late June/early July vacation prior to training camp, I ran into a prominent person in the Green Bay community who knows John Jones well and worked closely with him on at least one key project.
In a nutshell, here's what this person had to say about Jones' situation, which ultimately forced he and the Packers to part ways instead of him having take over for Bob Harlan as CEO as originally planned.

Jones, according to this source, had several significant problems before his heart problem surfaced in June 2006. People who worked for him didn't trust him, didn't get along well with him and didn't respect him. Jones took credit for good work done by others and deflected blame when things didn't go well.

However, Jones' heart problem exacerbated his shortcomings because, according to this source, Jones sustained substantial problems following the heart issue because for an undetermined amount of time he suffered from a lack of oxygen to the brain, which caused memory problems.
That would help explain what another Packers' source said were 'little screw ups around the office' by Jones after he returned to work in the fall 2006."

Jones was an unfortunate last move for Bob Harlan. There is more to how Harlan was deluded by others to hire Jones, but that can be told another time.

[sheepshead]

Hire slow, fire fast. If you have made a mistake. Take care of it, quick. MM did that this year. There is too much at stake to not act quickly.