Colts’ Dungy to announce retirement

[sepporepi]

Dungy also became the sixth man to play in a Super Bowl and be the head coach of a Super Bowl team. He joins Dan Reeves, Sam Wyche, Mike Ditka, Forrest Gregg and Tom Flores. After the win in Super Bowl XLI, Dungy became the third man to win Super Bowls both as a player and a head coach. The other two are Mike Ditka and Tom Flores.

[LL2]

Dungy is definitely a world class guy deserving of the HOF. He also showed strong character in coaching after the death of his son...that had to be one of the hardest and darkest time in his life.

[K-town]

HOF for sure!! Dungy won 2 Superbowls!

Hmm, I thaught you meant the one he won as player.

Not that it really matters for his consideration as a coach.

I just wonder how many HeadCoaches also won a SB as player.

I'm pretty sure Mike Ditka did. But I can't think of any others that won a SB as a player and as a coach outside of Dungy. I'm sure there's proabaly at least one or two more, just can't think of them. Then there's Dan Reeves, who also won one as a player but lost all five times he made the SB as a coach.

How soon we forget our own Forrest Gregg, who played in Super Bowls 1 and 2, but lost as the coach of the Bangles to the 49ers.

[Cleft Crusty]

Dungy is more deserving than Holmgren, in my opinion.

I would think it's pretty close. Dungy took one team to the superbowl as a HC, probably should have had two. Holmgren took two different teams to three bowls, was probably one play away from winning the superbowl with teo different teams. Remarkable. Dungy was a very good coordinator, Holgren as well - Holmgren went further as a coordinator, probably because he was under the wing of Walsh. Both Holmgren and Dungy ultimately won because they had great QBs - clearly Holmgren was much more influential in developing his QB than Dungy.

Actually, come to think of it, Bill Parcells probably is more deserving than either.

[Cleft Crusty]

HOF for sure!! Dungy won 2 Superbowls!

Hmm, I thaught you meant the one he won as player.

Not that it really matters for his consideration as a coach.

I just wonder how many HeadCoaches also won a SB as player.

I'm pretty sure Mike Ditka did. But I can't think of any others that won a SB as a player and as a coach outside of Dungy. I'm sure there's proabaly at least one or two more, just can't think of them. Then there's Dan Reeves, who also won one as a player but lost all five times he made the SB as a coach.

How soon we forget our own Forrest Gregg, who played in Super Bowls 1 and 2, but lost as the coach of the Bangles to the 49ers.

"You saw it."

[Patler]

Dungy is more deserving than Holmgren, in my opinion.

Actually, come to think of it, Bill Parcells probably is more deserving than either.

Not any doubt about that.

[GBRulz]

Dungy, Favre, and Holmgren in the Hall of Fame at the same time? We'll see!

I'm sorry but I don't think Holmgren is HOF material.

Dungy is one the classiest coaches in the NFL and I would be sad to see him go. Maybe he'll come back one day?

[Fritz]

Yes...his teams produced at a consistently high level. Holmgren had a a lot of up and down years.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Yes...his teams produced at a consistently high level. Holmgren had a a lot of up and down years.

Actually, that is pretty much inaccurate.

With the Pack he was consistently high..lowest was 9 wins.

With the Seahawks he took over a team that hadn't had a winning season since 1990.

Also, he was the GM. Once he was able as GM to flush away Kitna and get his QB, Hasselback, he has had two losing seasons...this of course being one.

Furthermore, look at his record after he lost the GM job and was strictly the head coach.

[Patler]

No matter how you look at it Ty, the last 10 years he is 86-74. You can make all the excuses you want, but that is just "OK", not impressive. An average season of 8.6/7.4.

Consideration of Holmgren as a great HC is built on a single 4 year run in GB from '95 to '98 when he was 48-16. Apart from that 4 year run in 13 years of coaching his record is 113-95, or an average of 8.7-7.3 per year. OK, but not impressive.

Contrast that with Tony Dungy, who also coached in two locations following down periods for each. He built strong, consistently winning teams at each, having only one losing season, his first in TB at 6-10. In 10 of 13 seasons he won at least 10 games.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

No matter how you look at it Ty, the last 10 years he is 86-74. You can make all the excuses you want, but that is just "OK", not impressive. An average season of 8.6/7.4.

Consideration of Holmgren as a great HC is built on a single 4 year run in GB from '95 to '98 when he was 48-16. Apart from that 4 year run in 13 years of coaching his record is 113-95, or an average of 8.7-7.3 per year. OK, but not impressive.

Contrast that with Tony Dungy, who also coached in two locations following down periods for each. He built strong, consistently winning teams at each, having only one losing season, his first in TB at 6-10. In 10 of 13 seasons he won at least 10 games.

My issue was the up and down comment. Which, is factually incorrect. I have no issue with Dungy. Though, as someone who lived in Tampa during that time....more of Tampa's success came from the death of Culverhouse than anything else.

why would i only consider the last 10? And, if so, why would i ignore a superbowl run.

The fact is that he took two teams to the SB. He also did it in two different eras...free agency significantly changed. And, so has the cap management. Are you going to punish him for letting Hutchinson go, etc.?

But, if we are looking contextually, Mr. Madden is considered a HOF coach..with essentially a 4 year run as well.

Mr. Holmgren has another 5 year in seattle..one that led to a SB appearance...and one that averaged 10 wins a year during that span.

Lastly, don't forget the holmgren tree. Far more successful: Chucky, Dick Jauron, Reid, Zorn, Marty (hey, at least he didn't go 0-16 like Dungy's guy), Mooch, and Sherman.

[Patler]

No matter how you look at it Ty, the last 10 years he is 86-74. You can make all the excuses you want, but that is just "OK", not impressive. An average season of 8.6/7.4.

Consideration of Holmgren as a great HC is built on a single 4 year run in GB from '95 to '98 when he was 48-16. Apart from that 4 year run in 13 years of coaching his record is 113-95, or an average of 8.7-7.3 per year. OK, but not impressive.

Contrast that with Tony Dungy, who also coached in two locations following down periods for each. He built strong, consistently winning teams at each, having only one losing season, his first in TB at 6-10. In 10 of 13 seasons he won at least 10 games.

My issue was the up and down comment. Which, is factually incorrect. I have no issue with Dungy. Though, as someone who lived in Tampa during that time....more of Tampa's success came from the death of Culverhouse than anything else.

why would i only consider the last 10? And, if so, why would i ignore a superbowl run.

The fact is that he took two teams to the SB. He also did it in two different eras...free agency significantly changed. And, so has the cap management. Are you going to punish him for letting Hutchinson go, etc.?

But, if we are looking contextually, Mr. Madden is considered a HOF coach..with essentially a 4 year run as well.

Mr. Holmgren has another 5 year in seattle..one that led to a SB appearance...and one that averaged 10 wins a year during that span.

Lastly, don't forget the holmgren tree. Far more successful: Chucky, Dick Jauron, Reid, Zorn, Marty (hey, at least he didn't go 0-16 like Dungy's guy), Mooch, and Sherman.

Very simple Ty, except for the single four year run in GB, Holmgren was essential just barely over a .500 coach for 13 years.

I referenced the last 10 years because YOU made excuses for those years:

With the Seahawks he took over a team that hadn't had a winning season since 1990.

Also, he was the GM. Once he was able as GM to flush away Kitna and get his QB, Hasselback, he has had two losing seasons...this of course being one.

Furthermore, look at his record after he lost the GM job and was strictly the head coach.

I was responding to your excuses by pointing out that regardless of the positive and negative factors during his years in Seattle, he was barely over .500. Surprisingly, in the 13 year apart from the 4 year run in GB, he was basically a .500 coach.

Madden? I have no idea why he is in the HOF. I scratched my head at the time he was inducted. That was a bone thrown to the junior league, I think.

Holmgren's tree? Not sure it has a lot to do with worthiness for HOF, but it does show he can hire good people. But...if he had such great coaches, why for 3/4 of his career was he barely over .500?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

No matter how you look at it Ty, the last 10 years he is 86-74. You can make all the excuses you want, but that is just "OK", not impressive. An average season of 8.6/7.4.

Consideration of Holmgren as a great HC is built on a single 4 year run in GB from '95 to '98 when he was 48-16. Apart from that 4 year run in 13 years of coaching his record is 113-95, or an average of 8.7-7.3 per year. OK, but not impressive.

Contrast that with Tony Dungy, who also coached in two locations following down periods for each. He built strong, consistently winning teams at each, having only one losing season, his first in TB at 6-10. In 10 of 13 seasons he won at least 10 games.

My issue was the up and down comment. Which, is factually incorrect. I have no issue with Dungy. Though, as someone who lived in Tampa during that time....more of Tampa's success came from the death of Culverhouse than anything else.

why would i only consider the last 10? And, if so, why would i ignore a superbowl run.

The fact is that he took two teams to the SB. He also did it in two different eras...free agency significantly changed. And, so has the cap management. Are you going to punish him for letting Hutchinson go, etc.?

But, if we are looking contextually, Mr. Madden is considered a HOF coach..with essentially a 4 year run as well.

Mr. Holmgren has another 5 year in seattle..one that led to a SB appearance...and one that averaged 10 wins a year during that span.

Lastly, don't forget the holmgren tree. Far more successful: Chucky, Dick Jauron, Reid, Zorn, Marty (hey, at least he didn't go 0-16 like Dungy's guy), Mooch, and Sherman.

Very simple Ty, except for the single four year run in GB, Holmgren was essential just barely over a .500 coach for 13 years.

I referenced the last 10 years because YOU made excuses for those years:

With the Seahawks he took over a team that hadn't had a winning season since 1990.

Also, he was the GM. Once he was able as GM to flush away Kitna and get his QB, Hasselback, he has had two losing seasons...this of course being one.

Furthermore, look at his record after he lost the GM job and was strictly the head coach.

I was responding to your excuses by pointing out that regardless of the positive and negative factors during his years in Seattle, he was barely over .500. Surprisingly, in the 13 year apart from the 4 year run in GB, he was basically a .500 coach.

Madden? I have no idea why he is in the HOF. I scratched my head at the time he was inducted. That was a bone thrown to the junior league, I think.

Holmgren's tree? Not sure it has a lot to do with worthiness for HOF, but it does show he can hire good people. But...if he had such great coaches, why for 3/4 of his career was he barely over .500?

I didn't make excuses, i merely pointed out that his problem..and therefore his record as coach was a result of his work as GM. Could he have prevented a losing season by not jettisoning Kitna and keep his record better..sure. But, the GM Holmgren knew that was wrong.

The minute he isn't GM..amazingly his record is much better.

And, if you are going to give Dungy props for resurrecting..then you have to do the same with Holmgren..in 2 places. GB was a wasteland..and Seattle hadn't had a winning season since 1990...yet he posts a winning season his first year there.

500: Take away 2 of the seasons in Seattle..and this one is ridiculous with injury/lame duck...and his record is quite good.

Tree: It was mentioned in Dungy article regarding his worthiness.

Hiring: Perhaps when you lose your best people and the others either move on or die..it is hard to maintain success.

Finally, I blame Wolf much more than Holmgren for the SB loss..not keeping Rison (leaving us with Mayes as 3rd WR), getting rid of Wayne Simmons and Sean Jones, etc. Though i'm not sure who to blame for putting that dlineman (lyons?) on the inactive roster which crippled us when Wilkins was hurt and we couldn't stop the broncos.

[Guiness]

A lot of talk about how Dungy was a classy guy - I dunno. The comments he made about GB being racists, and shouting epiphets at him and his team when they came to town always left a sour taste in my mouth.

Honest opinion though, he gets in, and Holmgren doesn't. Even though I think he should've won an SB in Tampa, but blew it (that's why he was dumped) and profited from Manning's prime years in Indi. He never built the defense everyone thought Indi needed to get a couple of SB's, which they would have if he had made the D solid.

btw I have to agree with the shoulder shrug about how Madden ended up in the hall (at least, as a coach).