JS---"WILLIAMS IN HIGH DEMAND""

[Bretsky]

Wonder how MM is as a sales guy cause it's clear the Saints want him ?

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/37482219.html

[vince]

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The suggestion made in this article that the Packers wanted Nolan and simply failed to secure his services because he instead chose the defensive behemoth Denver lacks believability and smacks of a reporter trying to cover his ass after being blatantly wrong about previous reports of a Packers-Nolan deal being all but done.

Now, the reporter is saying the Packers are actively pursuing Williams and strongly implies that, if he signs with another team, the Packers would again "fail" in their pursuit...

Particularly given the recent reporting that was just flat out wrong - first about Moss, then Nolan - there is no reason whatsoever to believe this report that the Packers actually have made a decision to pursue Wiliams, but just can't yet close the deal - has any truth to it whatsoever. Their source appears to be Williams' agent here. You think he might be motivated to create the perception of a bidding war here?

It could of course be true, but there's no way to know for sure at this point, and certainly no reason to believe it given recent history. None of the organizations covering the Packrs, including JSO in this case, appear to have a credible source on the inside of the Packers organization whatsoever - and given that it's in their best interests to be perceived as a credible source of insider news, it wouldn't be too surprising that they might not be very happy about that. Perhaps their former source was recently shitcanned.

It could be equally as true, and given the recent inaccurate reports, perhaps even more likely, that the Packers simply have other candidates in mind and want to conduct a more thorough review, possibly interviewing additional candidates, before making a formal offer to their candidate of choice. That would imply that they are willing to risk losing Nolan and Williams to other teams while the process continues - and either or both of them signing elsewhere would not constitute a failure on the part of the team at all - unlike the implication of this report.

[pack4to84]

rumor from another board.

Randolph Hiedler wrote 1/12/09

This is what I heard about the interviews. Nolan came in assuming he already had the job since he already framed his coaching staff. He left not exactly happy since the job wasn't handed to him on a silver platter. Thompson wanted Nolan out of town as soon as possible.

From what I understood is that Thompson was willing to pay the premium for Williams, but McCarthy didn't like his personality. Apparently Williams came off as he thought he was better than McCarthy.

Names that have came up as possible candidates: Jim Washburn, Chuck Cecil, Bill Sheridan, Keith Butler, Dave Campo, Sean McDermott.

So it looks like Nolan and Williams are out.

[Fritz]

What struck me as most interesting was the line "McCarthy understood this," which suggests that TT is calling the shots here - which is what one of those recent JSO Packer blogs (Bedard, I think?) suggested. So the JSO seems to be trying to be consistent in the narrative that they are framing.

Which is not to say that any of it is true. At all.

[TheCheese]

rumor from another board.

Randolph Hiedler wrote 1/12/09

This is what I heard about the interviews. Nolan came in assuming he already had the job since he already framed his coaching staff. He left not exactly happy since the job wasn't handed to him on a silver platter. Thompson wanted Nolan out of town as soon as possible.

From what I understood is that Thompson was willing to pay the premium for Williams, but McCarthy didn't like his personality. Apparently Williams came off as he thought he was better than McCarthy.

Names that have came up as possible candidates: Jim Washburn, Chuck Cecil, Bill Sheridan, Keith Butler, Dave Campo, Sean McDermott.

So it looks like Nolan and Williams are out.

Is this from packerchatters.com? If so that rumor is complete, made up bull shit with no bearing on the truth what so ever. That site fucking sucks, I can't believe people actually believe the shit some of the knuckle heads make up.

[Fritz]

rumor from another board.

Randolph Hiedler wrote 1/12/09

This is what I heard about the interviews. Nolan came in assuming he already had the job since he already framed his coaching staff. He left not exactly happy since the job wasn't handed to him on a silver platter. Thompson wanted Nolan out of town as soon as possible.

From what I understood is that Thompson was willing to pay the premium for Williams, but McCarthy didn't like his personality. Apparently Williams came off as he thought he was better than McCarthy.

Names that have came up as possible candidates: Jim Washburn, Chuck Cecil, Bill Sheridan, Keith Butler, Dave Campo, Sean McDermott.

So it looks like Nolan and Williams are out.

Is this from packerchatters.com? If so that rumor is complete, made up bull shit with no bearing on the truth what so ever. That site fucking sucks, I can't believe people actually believe the shit some of the knuckle heads make up.

I must say, that place is like a chinese factory of rumors.

[RashanGary]

I suspect your suspicions may be right, Vince.

1. JS has been so full of shit, you can't believe a word they say and this reeks of complete bullshit.

2. I think the Pack DC job is very desirable with the offense being solid and the defense having a decent young base with last years executive of the year commited to putting it over the top (and having more than enough recources to do it). I think the Packers do want Williams (based on how much McCarthy has shown respect to him in the past). I think Williams wants to be here (based on the Packers job being damn near complete autonomy and the good situation). I think there is a very, very, very good chance that Williams agent is sending out a little smoke screen to not appear so damn giddy over the job and to make the Packers feel a little pressure to sign Williams now for a pretty high price. I think JS is returning the favor (of getting some inside info) by putting the story out in a way that benefits Williams and his agent.


Honestly, to me Williams is a sure thing to be a damn good coordinator. If I'm McCarthy, and I get along with him OK, I just make a nice offer and don't worry about the other coordinators that might be good. We know this guy is good, you just have to pay him a little more becuase he's proven.

[pbmax]

Everyone just relax, this is all from the agents point of view. Silverstein himself blogged yesterday that Nolan may have chosen Denver because of its proximity to the house he kept in San Francisco.

And the Williams rumors are baloney. I am pretty sure the Saints would love a few things more than out hiring the Packers and he gives no evidence of the full court press.

The two things to consider are Tennessee, which may very well be attractive to Williams and the fact that Williams has not yet made a choice, which means so far, all the offers are about equal in his mind.

I like the Dave McGinnis idea. And I love the Dave Campo joke.

[pack4to84]

rumor from another board.

Randolph Hiedler wrote 1/12/09

This is what I heard about the interviews. Nolan came in assuming he already had the job since he already framed his coaching staff. He left not exactly happy since the job wasn't handed to him on a silver platter. Thompson wanted Nolan out of town as soon as possible.

From what I understood is that Thompson was willing to pay the premium for Williams, but McCarthy didn't like his personality. Apparently Williams came off as he thought he was better than McCarthy.

Names that have came up as possible candidates: Jim Washburn, Chuck Cecil, Bill Sheridan, Keith Butler, Dave Campo, Sean McDermott.

So it looks like Nolan and Williams are out.

Is this from packerchatters.com? If so that rumor is complete, made up bull shit with no bearing on the truth what so ever. That site fucking sucks, I can't believe people actually believe the shit some of the knuckle heads make up.

On Jan 3 2009 Randolph Hiedler post rumor that Sanders and assistants would be fired. Up until this no one was saying anything about firing his assistants. They where just wanting Sanders gone. He even named some of them. It wasn't until the 6th of Jan. did Sanders and his assistants get fired.

[SkinBasket]

On Jan 3 2009 Randolph Hiedler post rumor that Sanders and assistants would be fired. Up until this no one was saying anything about firing his assistants. They where just wanting Sanders gone. He even named some of them. It wasn't until the 6th of Jan. did Sanders and his assistants get fired.

Not a big leap to make. I'm sure you could find posts like that on just about every message board out there leading up to the firing. The difference is most people just admit they're posting what they think will happen, and what is usually most likely to happen, not some inside rumor.

But whatever, if it makes the information more magical for you, then believe whatever you want to believe.

[pbmax]

On Jan 3 2009 Randolph Hiedler post rumor that Sanders and assistants would be fired. Up until this no one was saying anything about firing his assistants. They where just wanting Sanders gone. He even named some of them. It wasn't until the 6th of Jan. did Sanders and his assistants get fired.

But that wasn't much of a stretch, was it? Of course there were rumors of his being let go. His defense was terrible. If this was packerchatters, I can verify that most of what has reached this board has been utter and inaccurate guesswork. But to be fair, I don't read the board regularly. Its possible someone on there has a source.

[pbmax]

Also, the original post of his, was basically two tidbits, both of which had been posted elsewhere. Nolan rounding up assistants prior to the interview was on PFT. And there is a Packer fan site, Packer Update, that reported a scout saying Williams would come off as possibly arrogant in his interview, but was the better choice.

This guy's post was this same info, reformulated into rumor speak.

[SkinBasket]

This guy's post was this same info, reformulated into rumor speak.

I was just thinking it's like predictive historical fiction at work. You take some facts and add some unverifiable personal tidbits to create your dramatic story. Only difference here is that they've got to pick the most likely outcome to work with.

[Patler]

This guy's post was this same info, reformulated into rumor speak.

I was just thinking it's like predictive historical fiction at work. You take some facts and add some unverifiable personal tidbits to create your dramatic story. Only difference here is that they've got to pick the most likely outcome to work with.

...and if you throw enough "tidbits" against the wall, some of them will stick!

[texaspackerbacker]

This whole subject is depressing.

I wish they'd just get it over with. Hire one of the damn losers--any one of which will necessarily drag down the Packers defense from what it was in '07--before all the injuries in '08, then get on with the business of building such a juggernaut of an offense that we outscore everybody after giving up 35 or 40 points with our wonderful new blitz and zone coverage defense.