JSO's Hatchet Job on McCarthy

[RashanGary]

Vince, I agree. I have no use for Vandermause. He has no love for TT or MM. It appears the WI newspaper people have agendas...

What are you trying to say here?

[Zool]

JSO know as much as this board.

I dunno. I think sometimes this board knows more. Think Vince, PB, Patler, KYPack, BadgerinMaine, Oregon, JH, Lurker, Gunakor, CPK, sometimes Partial, Zool, Mad, etc. etc.

Ha...the first guys you site are a shit ton smarter than I'll ever hope to be, but then you sandwich me with these 2 and I feel better about myself.

So thanks!

[texaspackerbacker]

A lot of calm good sense in this thread, Waldo, especially. I wasn't aware of both McCarthy and Thompson having a history of 3-4 success. It wouldn't surprise me in light of that, if we do go to a 3-4. Also, the idea of a slow deliberate approach makes a lot of since, especially since it was Andrew Brandt who said it. Don't be surprised if, when all is said and done, they pick some complete unknown, or at least someone that has hardly or not at all been mentioned.

As for this sources thing, don't you guys get it? Sports, politics, whatever, these guys are just making it up--pure speculation. These media types are bottom-feeders--damn liars. For them, credibility means readers/listeners, and readers/listeners means more job security and higher pay. Thus, they lie about having sources.

On top of that, the great majority of these guys have no roots in or loyalty to Wisconsin. To them, we are at best, customers, and at worst, victims of their subterfuge. They probably respect heartlanders about as much as I respect them, and that ain't much.

[Pugger]

The writers, especially in GB, seem to take delight in bashing MM and TT at every opportunity and I get weary of reading that stuff. They speculate and folks take it as gospel. Oh well, I guess I don't have to read their commentaries, do I?

[Fritz]

JSO know as much as this board.

I dunno. I think sometimes this board knows more. Think Vince, PB, Patler, KYPack, BadgerinMaine, Oregon, JH, Lurker, Gunakor, CPK, sometimes Partial, Zool, Mad, etc. etc.

Ha...the first guys you site are a shit ton smarter than I'll ever hope to be, but then you sandwich me with these 2 and I feel better about myself.

So thanks!

Two things, Zool. First, the "sometimes" adjective was meant to apply to Partial only, who really hass been on a pretty intelligent roll lately - except when he's on a certain topic. Therefore I include you as one of the knowledgeable ones, and not just "sometimes."

Secondly, it's not a complete list, obviously. Bretsky and many others who are great posters got left out. The point is, I can find better analysis AND entertainment here than I can on the JSO. That's why I spend more time on this site than I do on JSO's.

[pbmax]

You can usually, but not always, tell at JSO when its the agent. Agents, by default get labeled as "[NFL] sources close to the team". That is also how Wilde tagged Al Harris when he was talking about not going to OTAs in M3's first year.

The trickier one is "source with inside knowledge of team thinking". That could be the guy who took McCarthy's order at McDonald's that morning. He knows what a team official was hungry for.

And that second one doubles the problem of trying to figure out when the team is leaking, which is usually more significant, as we saw this summer to Glazer.

[Fritz]

Interesting insights.

[Rastak]

Ras, if there are "sources" that seem to "know" who the top candidates are or were, then why does another "NFL source" say differently? The focus of this story could easily be that the picture is muddled, that MM does not seem to have an easily readable course, or that sources conflict as to what MM's plan really is. Those are all ways to frame the narrative that are more honest than what's been done.

I don't mind the speculation, Ras. I know that in this day and age there is space to fill and not much real info. What bothers me is the attempt to frame McCarthy as a coach incapable of getting who he wants. That's a serious knock - your coach isn't respected enough or doesn't have the ability to make a decision or get the guy he wants. But there's no proof of that.


So write the article, but frame it in a way that suggests that it's not clear if MM is being snubbed, or if he is simply holding his cards close.

Well, if Capers was the guy he wanted, his team didn't even make the playoffsso why wait so long to interview him? I guess he either doesn't know who he wants or even who he wants to interview since Capers has been available for a while or he's not landing the guys he wants and is going through more options.

That's what it seems like anyway.

[AtlPackFan]

JSO know as much as this board.

I dunno. I think sometimes this board knows more. Think Vince, PB, Patler, KYPack, BadgerinMaine, Oregon, JH, Lurker, Gunakor, CPK, sometimes Partial, Zool, Mad, etc. etc.

This is why I come to the board. I seldom post...I have little more than the average fans knowledge. However, there are a LOT of knowledgeable posters on this board. I feel - when the differing views expressed are civil - I learn a lot about the pros and cons of a particular subject.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I see no reason to rush and commit to a defensive coordiantor at this point either. There are still many options left out there that will breathe plenty of change in to the lifeless defense. If McCarthy bungles this pick atleast we as fans will all get retribution with-in a year or two. I know if my job is riding on hiring the best candidate that best fits what I am looking for I damn sure take my time.

[RashanGary]

And that second one doubles the problem of trying to figure out when the team is leaking, which is usually more significant, as we saw this summer to Glazer.

Wasn't Glazer the guy who broke just about everythign team related all summer? I have a hard time faulting a guy who was spot on or at least damn near.

[RashanGary]

The jobs I respect the least are sales jobs with commission and news reporters. Both incredibly dishonest and hard to respect. You might find a few good ones, but for the most part, I don't trust either.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

And that second one doubles the problem of trying to figure out when the team is leaking, which is usually more significant, as we saw this summer to Glazer.

Wasn't Glazer the guy who broke just about everythign team related all summer? I have a hard time faulting a guy who was spot on or at least damn near.

Glazer broke a lot, but I really remember Adam Schefter(sp?) as being the one to really stand out with breaking news, which was always concrete to my recollection.

[Fritz]

Ras, if there are "sources" that seem to "know" who the top candidates are or were, then why does another "NFL source" say differently? The focus of this story could easily be that the picture is muddled, that MM does not seem to have an easily readable course, or that sources conflict as to what MM's plan really is. Those are all ways to frame the narrative that are more honest than what's been done.

I don't mind the speculation, Ras. I know that in this day and age there is space to fill and not much real info. What bothers me is the attempt to frame McCarthy as a coach incapable of getting who he wants. That's a serious knock - your coach isn't respected enough or doesn't have the ability to make a decision or get the guy he wants. But there's no proof of that.


So write the article, but frame it in a way that suggests that it's not clear if MM is being snubbed, or if he is simply holding his cards close.

Well, if Capers was the guy he wanted, his team didn't even make the playoffsso why wait so long to interview him? I guess he either doesn't know who he wants or even who he wants to interview since Capers has been available for a while or he's not landing the guys he wants and is going through more options.

That's what it seems like anyway.

I'd say IF he ends up hiring Capers after not interviewing him up to this point, then it'd be rational to say that MM must not have gotten his original pick or picks. But at this point Capers is just another name that's come up.

And it's possible that MM is incapable of getting the guy he wanted. But there's no proof, no real evidence, and that's the problem for me.

As for Capers, a guy named Dominic might be just what the defense needs.

[Bretsky]

Where there has been fuel there has often been fire