Dom Capers?

[vince]

I think these JSO guys know what they are talking about more than you give them credit for.

Bretsky, I know you read the articles... They have PROVEN they don't know what they are talking about and they hate that fact.

Nolan: deal all but done. WRONG
Williams: holding out for TN job. WRONG

0 for 2 so far...

Then they contradict themselves, admitting they don't know what they are talking about, within the same article they make assertions!

At this point in time, it is absolutely clear that they have NO CREDIBLE SOURCES within the Packer organization. Who else but someone inside the Packer organization do you think has a clue to what is really happening inside the Packer organization? NOONE. Certaily not these guys in the media who have been bumbling their way through this whole scenario.

These guys' credibility is getting pummeled in this misinformation fiasco, and it hurts their image, readership, and future as well-paid print journalists in a declining industry. They are doing everything they can to come up with something to print - and then to cover their asses when it is proven they don't have any credible intel.

They are also likely trying to pressure McCarthy and Thompson to throw them a bone to counter their attacks and get them back on their side in their public relations attempts to capture the goodwill of Packer fandom - and may well be frustrated that Thompson and McCarthy don't play those games.

[Bretsky]

Do you honestly, honestly, believe MM did not want Nolan or Williams to be our defensive coordinator?

Do you honestly believe that these two came to Green Bay to be interviewed with no intention of accepting the job if offered it?

If Williams was such a slam-dunk "elite" selection, why did he get run out of town in Jacksonville? Because he took a perennial elite defense under Mike Smith, who became Atlanta's Head Coach, and made them the 21st ranked defense in the league in points given up last year. If he doesn't blow McCarthy away in an interview, there's a very good chance you pass him by. He's got some warts.

Same thing with Nolan.

I find it pretty easy to believe the Packers could pass on those two guys who are "proven" - proven to be little more than average, or worse - particularly of late.

Give me a Break Vince; you are a great poster and are better than the point I bolded.

It's not like the difference in Personnel would have had anything to do with the Jags demise. Wonder why they had such a hard time defending the run

[Fritz]

Add to all this debate the very distinct possibility that MM is, as most of us, a complex human being. He may have thought for example that he wanted Nolan. But maybe something rubbed him the wrong way, or maybe Nolan assumed he'd have more control than MM would give. So what both thought would be a slam dunk turned into a "Hmm, wait a sec." Then Denver calls, and maybe Nolan's pride is stung, so he goes. Or maybe his wife said "honey, Denver is a nicer place to live."

Who knows?

But the Packers will have a defensive coordinator by the draft. They won't go into the season with no d.c. It'll happen. And it's not as if if you don't hire a big name or one who's been coaching for twelve years there will be no one left. There are young coaches coming up all the time. The pool is not limited to guys who have been fired from head coaching jobs or who have been coordinators at three different franchises.

I trust this search is careful and reasoned. It may not be going exactly as MM had hoped (though maybe it is), but I trust he has a plan.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

ESPN's reporting is just as bad as JSO's, about the only two i trust anymore is Schefter and Glazer. Anyone else see ESPN reporting last night that Haslett was almost a done deal to join the Pack as DC? While rumours are fun, I feel the leading sports network should atleast be reporting more concrete news.

[vince]

Do you honestly, honestly, believe MM did not want Nolan or Williams to be our defensive coordinator?

Do you honestly believe that these two came to Green Bay to be interviewed with no intention of accepting the job if offered it?

If Williams was such a slam-dunk "elite" selection, why did he get run out of town in Jacksonville? Because he took a perennial elite defense under Mike Smith, who became Atlanta's Head Coach, and made them the 21st ranked defense in the league in points given up last year. If he doesn't blow McCarthy away in an interview, there's a very good chance you pass him by. He's got some warts.

Same thing with Nolan.

I find it pretty easy to believe the Packers could pass on those two guys who are "proven" - proven to be little more than average, or worse - particularly of late.

Give me a Break Vince; you are a great poster and are better than the point I bolded.

It's not like the difference in Personnel would have had anything to do with the Jags demise. Wonder why they had such a hard time defending the run

Bretsky, I don't claim to be an expert in defensive coordination, nor have I followed the Jag's closely. However, even I can observe that the Jag's threw Williams' ass out on the tarmac and said good riddance. Personnel or not, they didn't feel like he got the job done obviously and believe they need to improve in that area. I'm not sure if they've named a replacement yet, but Williams clearly wasn't the guy they wanted after a year of firsthand experience working closely with him at the helm.

It's awfully presumptuous, even wrong, to assume that McCarthy would automatically offer him the job.

[texaspackerbacker]

WOW!

These comparative stats are amazing!

Haslett 82-110; Capers 96-112 with 30-79 the last seven years; Sanders 27-21--with the last one ruined by injuries.

I'm sure the irrational HATERS will conjure up all kinds of reasons to continue to spew hate about Sanders, but the stats don't lie.

C'mon Tex, you are better than the Hater language! Measuring a coordinator by wins and losses is like measuring a WR by his 100 meter dash time. Sure, they are related, but there are other factors involved.

Other coordinators had injuries (including Philbin/M3) and still maintained playoff caliber performance. You cannot wait to have playoff runs until you are injury free.

Regarding selection of a new guy, maybe, but irrational HATER absolutely applies to the treatment in this forum and elsewhere of Sanders--and Sherman before him.

As for WINNING, didn't somebody once say it wasn't everything, it was the ONLY THING? A lot of you guys get very convenient about when winning is so important (like an injury-ruined season) and when it isn't (when you want to find a reason to support somebody advocating that ugly word, CHANGE--in football, of course).

Also, there is a lot of middle ground between injury-free and injury-ruined.

[pbmax]

It was well known mid-season that Williams was going to be released from his contract. He and Del Rio had a fundamental disagreement over the defense that would be called. It was termed a philosophical difference, but as a former HC who was used to calling his own defense, Williams clearly did not want to have to clear things with Del Rio or call his suggestions.

Capers is leaving New England with some of the same issues. He is looking for a different situation and more responsibility, which is why he may end up in Denver as Dbacks coach.

[rbaloha1]

Capers to Dallas appears realistic given prior history and 3-4 scheme.

Except for Haslett it appears the Packers may not land an experienced and proven DC. (Makes me nervous.)

The Packers may be forced to select a young unproven but with good pedigree DC. Perhaps a blessing in disguise?

[pbmax]

Also, there is a lot of middle ground between injury-free and injury-ruined.

There is, but if you are counting on Cullen Jenkins to stay healthy to avoid injury ruined, then you plan is flawed from the beginning. Clearly, with hindsight, T2 should have had more depth along the D line for pass rush. But that is also the most difficult thing to find, aside from a QB.

[texaspackerbacker]

Also, there is a lot of middle ground between injury-free and injury-ruined.

There is, but if you are counting on Cullen Jenkins to stay healthy to avoid injury ruined, then you plan is flawed from the beginning. Clearly, with hindsight, T2 should have had more depth along the D line for pass rush. But that is also the most difficult thing to find, aside from a QB.

Are you saying Cullen Jenkins was/is injury-prone? His history wasn't that bad, and I vividly recall the play he got hurt--as clear a case of freaky bad luck as you could have.

More depth would have been nice--like not having Harrell get hurt, KGB, Jolly, Pickett playing hurt, Thompson, and that's just the D Line. I'd say what we went into last season with looked pretty damn good--until the injuries hit.

[pbmax]

Also, there is a lot of middle ground between injury-free and injury-ruined.

There is, but if you are counting on Cullen Jenkins to stay healthy to avoid injury ruined, then you plan is flawed from the beginning. Clearly, with hindsight, T2 should have had more depth along the D line for pass rush. But that is also the most difficult thing to find, aside from a QB.

Are you saying Cullen Jenkins was/is injury-prone? His history wasn't that bad, and I vividly recall the play he got hurt--as clear a case of freaky bad luck as you could have.

More depth would have been nice--like not having Harrell get hurt, KGB, Jolly, Pickett playing hurt, Thompson, and that's just the D Line. I'd say what we went into last season with looked pretty damn good--until the injuries hit.

Yes. He is definitely injury prone. He has been hampered in 2 of the last three years (prior to the current injury) to the point that it affected his performance.

Pickett definitely seemed hampered by the arm most of the season. He really got shoved around. I am not convinced that he can play the nose like that. He is not as stout as Grady Jackson.

But I do not agree that we looked good going into the season. The pass rush was already a concern in preseason. One run of the mill injury to KGB last year shut down the pass rush. Literally from 60 to 0 in 2 seconds. I agree with the Williams move, but the team had to know that they were one mild injury away (or in KGB's case, a failed rehab) from the pass rush disappearing. They had the film and they were clearly aware of it, look at all the preseason talk of updating and bolstering their blitz scheme.

[pbmax]

Actually, let me amend my comment to change the term injury prone. I believe its an overused term. Let's restate it as Cullen Jenkins has had 3 of last 4 seasons interrupted by injuries.

[texaspackerbacker]

Actually, let me amend my comment to change the term injury prone. I believe its an overused term. Let's restate it as Cullen Jenkins has had 3 of last 4 seasons interrupted by injuries.

There's no denying that. The cause, however, the question--freak luck or predictable?

If a guy has the same injury over and over, then it may be chronic and thus, predictable. If he keeps getting new ones--i.e. Justin Harrell's bicep and then back--then it is a helluva lot more likely that it's pure bad luck.

[Packers4Ever]

i'm fine with him. if they like him they need to offer him the job and stop looking or someone else will get him. MM shops like a women. go everywhere, touch/smell/taste everything, can't decide.

Hey hey hey !!! I resemble that remark !

Now if I wanted to, I could do a darn good description

of a male shopper, sooo funnny !

J/K

Packers4Ever beat me to it!!!

I got a little excited when I heard MM was going to interview Capers. Capers may not be the best HC in the world but he seems to have had success as a DC.

You can have next dig, ok?
I approve of Dom Capers too, he sounds like the guy we need.

[Joemailman]

Mortenson seems to think Capers will get the Giants DC job now that Spagnuolo has the St. Louis HC job. I kind of thought the Giants would go after McDermott. Maybe Capers going to the Giants would open the door for yhe Packers to get McDermott. Philly would probably have to lose tomorrow though because I don't think MM will wait until after the Super Bowl to fill the job.