Peppers asks Panthers for his release

[Fritz]

Well, if Allen is worth a 1 and two 3's, what would Peppers fetch?

[Rastak]

Well, if Allen is worth a 1 and two 3's, what would Peppers fetch?

About the same would be my guess.

Peppers age 29 (in a couple days)
105 games 70.5 sacks

Allen age 26 ( 27 in the spring)
77 games 57.5 sacks

[rbaloha1]

Its not worth the picks. Great player but inconsistent performer.

[Waldo]

If they franchise and trade Peppers, they will lose Gross for nothing.

They do not have the cap space to both franchise Peppers and sign Gross, they absolutely positively must lose one or the other, and there is no way that they can get compensation for the one that gets away. They simply don't have the cap space to sign one and franchise the other.

If Pep is making a stink now, he wants to be the one to go. Carolina will franchise Gross instead if they can't sign him before the tag is due.

[Rastak]

If they franchise and trade Peppers, they will lose Gross for nothing.

They do not have the cap space to both franchise Peppers and sign Gross, they absolutely positively must lose one or the other, and there is no way that they can get compensation for the one that gets away. They simply don't have the cap space to sign one and franchise the other.

If Pep is making a stink now, he wants to be the one to go. Carolina will franchise Gross instead if they can't sign him before the tag is due.

That's why Delhomme is likely gone and Gross will likely be signed.

[Fritz]

So are folks ready to ditch the 4-3 and switch to a 3-4 on the outside possibility that Julius Peppers might sign with the Packers?

[Waldo]

If they franchise and trade Peppers, they will lose Gross for nothing.

They do not have the cap space to both franchise Peppers and sign Gross, they absolutely positively must lose one or the other, and there is no way that they can get compensation for the one that gets away. They simply don't have the cap space to sign one and franchise the other.

If Pep is making a stink now, he wants to be the one to go. Carolina will franchise Gross instead if they can't sign him before the tag is due.

That's why Delhomme is likely gone and Gross will likely be signed.

And their QB is?......

Jake isn't exactly an expensive QB, their backup is pretty awful, and they lack a 1st round pick. Jake is darn near a can't cut unless they plan on looking to Harrington or someone of that caliber.

[Waldo]

So are folks ready to ditch the 4-3 and switch to a 3-4 on the outside possibility that Julius Peppers might sign with the Packers?

What is wrong with doing at anyways?

So that we have a better shot of winning next year? IMO it is a better long term plan for us to switch. Of the 10 3-4/hybrid defenses, 1 finished in the bottom half of the league in run D (ypc) in '08, Cleveland.

[Fred's Slacks]

If they franchise and trade Peppers, they will lose Gross for nothing.

They do not have the cap space to both franchise Peppers and sign Gross, they absolutely positively must lose one or the other, and there is no way that they can get compensation for the one that gets away. They simply don't have the cap space to sign one and franchise the other.

If Pep is making a stink now, he wants to be the one to go. Carolina will franchise Gross instead if they can't sign him before the tag is due.

Either way, I'd take the guy they let go.

Looks like a mistake by Carolina management, letting two key player's contracts come up in the same offseason.

[rbaloha1]

If they franchise and trade Peppers, they will lose Gross for nothing.

They do not have the cap space to both franchise Peppers and sign Gross, they absolutely positively must lose one or the other, and there is no way that they can get compensation for the one that gets away. They simply don't have the cap space to sign one and franchise the other.

If Pep is making a stink now, he wants to be the one to go. Carolina will franchise Gross instead if they can't sign him before the tag is due.

Either way, I'd take the guy they let go.

Looks like a mistake by Carolina management, letting two key player's contracts come up in the same offseason.

Agreed. Either one helps the Packers.

[LL2]

If they franchise and trade Peppers, they will lose Gross for nothing.

They do not have the cap space to both franchise Peppers and sign Gross, they absolutely positively must lose one or the other, and there is no way that they can get compensation for the one that gets away. They simply don't have the cap space to sign one and franchise the other.

If Pep is making a stink now, he wants to be the one to go. Carolina will franchise Gross instead if they can't sign him before the tag is due.

Either way, I'd take the guy they let go.

Looks like a mistake by Carolina management, letting two key player's contracts come up in the same offseason.

Agreed. Either one helps the Packers.

It would be awesome if TT signed one of them...which would allow TT to use the #9 pick on a different player...not going to happen though.