Sean McDermott anyone?

[cpk1994]

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i'm pretty convinced that TT and M3 have no balls when it comes into bidding for guys or players.

Adam Viniteri and LaVar Arrington call bullshit on that statement.

didn't we let both those guys walk out of our building without signing contracts

a lot of teams don't let that happen

TT had the highest offer on the table for both of them. Quit with the bullshit.

its not bullshit

there is definately something wrong with TT if he continues to meet with people and have them go somewhere else

it seems like he can't close the sale. he can get them to talk with him, he offers what they want, but he can't convince him that this is where they should be

he sure as hell doesn't seem like he'd be a good salesman, which is something a gm needs to be, along with many other things

Again, its not TT's fault that Arrington and Vinieri took less. TT has had the highest offer on FA more than once. He can talk and talk until he is blue in the face. If the FA take less, that is not on TT. It is indded bullshit to say he doesn't have balls.

[Lurker64]

I'm just wondering what the proposed solution to "Yes, you are offering me the most money, but I would rather take less money and play elsewhere" is from the General Manager's perspective.

Since clearly "offering even more money" isn't necessarily a good procedure, because resources are finite. We have a young, promising base of talent, great tradition and facilities, a head coach that players appear to like quite a bit. There doesn't seem to be anything necessarily wrong with the pitch.

You could say "the hard sell needs to be harder" but there's a limit to the effectiveness of that (you can't waterboard a guy to get him to play for the Packers), and none of us know how hard Thompson's hard sell is.

If a guy says "no thanks, I'd rather play in a dome" or "no thanks, I'd rather play in a big city" or "no thanks, I'd rather play somewhere warm" despite everything the Packers have going for them as well as the most lucrative offer, then screw 'em. They wouldn't be a good fit here anyway. Not everybody is going be a great fit in Green Bay, even if they are spectacularly talented (T. Buck anybody?)

[Gunakor]

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i'm pretty convinced that TT and M3 have no balls when it comes into bidding for guys or players.

Adam Viniteri and LaVar Arrington call bullshit on that statement.

didn't we let both those guys walk out of our building without signing contracts

a lot of teams don't let that happen

TT had the highest offer on the table for both of them. Quit with the bullshit.

its not bullshit

there is definately something wrong with TT if he continues to meet with people and have them go somewhere else

it seems like he can't close the sale. he can get them to talk with him, he offers what they want, but he can't convince him that this is where they should be

he sure as hell doesn't seem like he'd be a good salesman, which is something a gm needs to be, along with many other things

Maybe players just don't want to come here. Maybe it's too cold, or too small a town, or whatever. TT can't make anyone come here if they don't want to, no matter how much money he throws at him. Just face it Red, perhaps this isn't a choice destination for most players for reasons beyond the GM's control. That's the nature of dealing with human beings with preferences of their own. Stop pointing fingers.

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if they would rather play in a dome or in a big city, then why do these guys even come here in the first place for a visit?

if these guys are telling the truth, then they had no desire in the first place of playing here and we were just used to get more money

maybe i'm way off here. but it sure seems that most of the times most teams don't let guys walk after interviews. is that wrong?

and it seems like we never sign a guy right away when he comes in for an interview

[Fritz]

if they would rather play in a dome or in a big city, then why do these guys even come here in the first place for a visit?

if these guys are telling the truth, then they had no desire in the first place of playing here and we were just used to get more money

maybe i'm way off here. but it sure seems that most of the times most teams don't let guys walk after interviews. is that wrong?

and it seems like we never sign a guy right away when he comes in for an interview

Right, like Minnesota did with Brad Childress! Didn't let him leave town 'til he'd signed a contract!

Yay Brad Childress! Yay Vikings!

[Gunakor]

if they would rather play in a dome or in a big city, then why do these guys even come here in the first place for a visit?

if these guys are telling the truth, then they had no desire in the first place of playing here and we were just used to get more money

maybe i'm way off here. but it sure seems that most of the times most teams don't let guys walk after interviews. is that wrong?

and it seems like we never sign a guy right away when he comes in for an interview

If you are talking about Nolan and Williams, that's ultimately MM's call. Not TT's. And, to be perfectly honest, I think they might have had McDermott pegged as their guy all along. It would require the least roster turnaround as it stays with the 4-3. I'd have no problem with letting Nolan and Williams go elsewhere if McDermott is named our new DC by the end of the week.

[Gunakor]

if they would rather play in a dome or in a big city, then why do these guys even come here in the first place for a visit?

if these guys are telling the truth, then they had no desire in the first place of playing here and we were just used to get more money

maybe i'm way off here. but it sure seems that most of the times most teams don't let guys walk after interviews. is that wrong?

and it seems like we never sign a guy right away when he comes in for an interview

Right, like Minnesota did with Brad Childress! Didn't let him leave town 'til he'd signed a contract!

Yay Brad Childress! Yay Vikings!

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if they would rather play in a dome or in a big city, then why do these guys even come here in the first place for a visit?

if these guys are telling the truth, then they had no desire in the first place of playing here and we were just used to get more money

maybe i'm way off here. but it sure seems that most of the times most teams don't let guys walk after interviews. is that wrong?

and it seems like we never sign a guy right away when he comes in for an interview

If you are talking about Nolan and Williams, that's ultimately MM's call. Not TT's. And, to be perfectly honest, I think they might have had McDermott pegged as their guy all along. It would require the least roster turnaround as it stays with the 4-3. I'd have no problem with letting Nolan and Williams go elsewhere if McDermott is named our new DC by the end of the week.

and i would hope that if thats who they have pegged then they have him signed tomorrow, without letting him see if someone else would pay him more

this is what i've been trying to say i think. in that business there's no waiting around. if thats your guy, then get off your ass and get it done asap

[Lurker64]

Players regularly negotiate with teams they have no interest in ever signing with to increase perceived value on the open market. "I'm only interested in signing with you" leads to a much smaller contract than "I've talked to 10 different teams and gotten these offers, but I really hope to play for you, though I'm not about to shoot myself in the foot." Others might have no interest in actually signing here but they are talked into coming in for a visit due to the tenacity of Thompson getting them to come in, who knows?

During the first day of free agency you regularly get players signing with a team immediately, in what is perceived as the first interview, but I suspect this is because the deals were already all-but-inked during informal, under the table, meetings prior to Free Agency (like the one that the 49ers got in trouble for over Lance Briggs last year), since these things are notoriously rampant.

But anybody who lasts past the first week of free agency talks to multiple teams. May not come in for a visit, but a lot of work gets done on the phone. We're just aware of all the guys that come here and don't leave with a contract because we follow this team more closely than others.

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if they would rather play in a dome or in a big city, then why do these guys even come here in the first place for a visit?

if these guys are telling the truth, then they had no desire in the first place of playing here and we were just used to get more money

maybe i'm way off here. but it sure seems that most of the times most teams don't let guys walk after interviews. is that wrong?

and it seems like we never sign a guy right away when he comes in for an interview

Right, like Minnesota did with Brad Childress! Didn't let him leave town 'til he'd signed a contract!

Yay Brad Childress! Yay Vikings!

they made the playoffs with their coach

we didn't

[Lurker64]

they made the playoffs with their coach

we didn't

Our "second choice" for head coach is 1-1 in the playoffs. Childress is 0-1. I believe they have the same regular season record, or it's close at any rate.

Just sayin'

[Gunakor]

if they would rather play in a dome or in a big city, then why do these guys even come here in the first place for a visit?

if these guys are telling the truth, then they had no desire in the first place of playing here and we were just used to get more money

maybe i'm way off here. but it sure seems that most of the times most teams don't let guys walk after interviews. is that wrong?

and it seems like we never sign a guy right away when he comes in for an interview

If you are talking about Nolan and Williams, that's ultimately MM's call. Not TT's. And, to be perfectly honest, I think they might have had McDermott pegged as their guy all along. It would require the least roster turnaround as it stays with the 4-3. I'd have no problem with letting Nolan and Williams go elsewhere if McDermott is named our new DC by the end of the week.

and i would hope that if thats who they have pegged then they have him signed tomorrow, without letting him see if someone else would pay him more

this is what i've been trying to say i think. if that business there's no waiting around. if thats your guy, then get off your ass and get it done asap

That's easier to do with coaches since there is no agent, and they actually DO have to come in and interview for the job. I'd expect they'd sign McDermott quickly too if that's who they want. But you have to remember something here... McDermott's name is out there now. ANY team looking for a DC would consider him, so it's not likely he'd just accept the DC job somewhere without looking around first.

[Brando19]

Maybe Green Bay's sign should say
"Welcome to Green Bay! Home of Applebees!"
Maybe that would appeal to people used to big cities!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I believe they have the same regular season record, or it's close at any rate.

Childress = 24-24
McCarthy = 27-21

[MJZiggy]

Maybe Green Bay's sign should say
"Welcome to Green Bay! Home of Applebees!"
Maybe that would appeal to people used to big cities!

If Longwell had ever tried their parmesan tilapia, he wouldn't have opened his yap!