620tmj talking Packers until 8pm

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Since when does tackles = quality.

Was Vilma an efffective ILB or not? How many tackles he had is immaterial. If Barnett's tackles decrease but he does a darn good job when the ball comes near him, did the scheme hurt his play, or just his stats? Dropping from star quality stats to pedestrian stats is not an indication of ineffectiveness if the player is doing a great job with what they are asked to do.

As I recall, after a time the team didn't see him as effective, as they tried to shop him after it was clear that he was unhappy. Now as to the source of the unhappiness, whether it was the DT in front of him or the scheme, I haven't any idea.

[pbmax]

Why is Jenkins in trouble? the guy was a run stuffing defensive end to begin with, He was already a hybrid end/tackle. I might be wrong by I think Jenkins goes around 290 anyways, what more do you want from an end in a 3-4?

Listening to the panic with some of these people is hilarious.

I agree. Jenkins seems to be a natural fit for a 3-4 DE. He's actually listed at 6-2, 305. I'm confused as to why he would seem to be in trouble here.

First of all, listed weights are dicey if its the team's publication. Second, Jenkins game at DT is all quickness and getting the corner on a guard. Depending on the alignment, he may be asked to play differently at DE in this scheme. We won't know until camp and preseason.

[Cleft Crusty]

Since when does tackles = quality.

Was Vilma an efffective ILB or not? How many tackles he had is immaterial. If Barnett's tackles decrease but he does a darn good job when the ball comes near him, did the scheme hurt his play, or just his stats? Dropping from star quality stats to pedestrian stats is not an indication of ineffectiveness if the player is doing a great job with what they are asked to do.

I didn't really complete my thought - my sixteen different prescription meds fog my brain after 10 PM - but I agree with you. Unless you see a guy play, especially in football, the stats don't mean all that much. But they can give you a general idea - and it seems to me that the official story isn't really well supported based on stats.

He likes you Waldo! He'll kill you last...

I lied.

[Cleft Crusty]

Why is Jenkins in trouble? the guy was a run stuffing defensive end to begin with, He was already a hybrid end/tackle. I might be wrong by I think Jenkins goes around 290 anyways, what more do you want from an end in a 3-4?

Listening to the panic with some of these people is hilarious.

I agree. Jenkins seems to be a natural fit for a 3-4 DE. He's actually listed at 6-2, 305. I'm confused as to why he would seem to be in trouble here.

Perhaps he got someone pregnant.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Jenkins is better suited to play tackle. The only reason he was moved to end is that the Packers were desperate.

I'm not going to say that he can't play end in a 3-4.

I wonder if Thompson might develop into a starter.