Lord Favre replaced by collins in pro-bowl...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Battle of the Network Stars was Must See TV. I loved that stupid show. Especially all the lovely women and girls in swimsuits during the always televised swimming competition.

You don't mess with Robert Conrad, my friend.

I also loved those shows were they had athletes from different sports compete against each other..forget the name.

I do recall that (can't recall his name..something jr. i think...i think his father played pro football..somebody help me out), who was a soccer player beat a bunch of football, basketball, etc. players.

[Pacopete4]

I think the reasons at the same he doesn't really hang around teammates anymore. The pro bowl is a big party for players, Favre is no longer that so he chooses not to go.


On a side note some of you are redic. You bitch and moan about absolutely everything about the guy no matter what it happens to be. Now I know what he meant by it got hard to be Brett Favre.

[Gunakor]

I think the reasons at the same he doesn't really hang around teammates anymore. The pro bowl is a big party for players, Favre is no longer that so he chooses not to go.


On a side note some of you are redic. You bitch and moan about absolutely everything about the guy no matter what it happens to be. Now I know what he meant by it got hard to be Brett Favre.

Who's bitching?

[GrnBay007]

Re: Lord Favre replaced by collins in pro-bowl...

Of course, originally I said "For his sake..." and I believe, for HIS sake, he'd enjoy playing us very much.

For the record, I think our secondary is better than any he's faced in quite some time in a real game. I don't think he'd have as much success against us as you'd think.

Hmm, I don't remember him every saying he'd enjoy playing against the Packers.....not sure where you got that.

I never said he'd have success against "us". Just asked what you might say if he did happen to play the Packers and did happen to light it up.

[Gunakor]

Re: Lord Favre replaced by collins in pro-bowl...

[quote="GrnBay007"]

Hmm, I don't remember him every saying he'd enjoy playing against the Packer.....not sure where you got that.

There was an interview a couple weeks into the '08 season, when both teams looked to be cruising twoard the playoffs. He was asked what he'd think about a Jets/Packers Super Bowl, and his face lit up with excitement. You could tell he very badly wanted to play against the Packers.

[MJZiggy]

When the rumors were swirling about him going to MN, didn't he outright say that he wanted to play against us?

[Packers4Ever]

Seems like the wife and the kids wouldn't mind spending a few days in Hawaii sometime.

I don't get Favre's indifference about the Pro Bowl.

Kind if debunks the 'need for the spotlight' theory......

Not at all : at the Pro Bowl, you'd have to share the spotlight with other great players.

I understand the pro bowl has become more of a popularity
contest than anything else anyway, another reason players
don't show up for it. Kind of sad...

[GrnBay007]

Re: Lord Favre replaced by collins in pro-bowl...

[quote="Gunakor"]

Hmm, I don't remember him every saying he'd enjoy playing against the Packer.....not sure where you got that.

There was an interview a couple weeks into the '08 season, when both teams looked to be cruising twoard the playoffs. He was asked what he'd think about a Jets/Packers Super Bowl, and his face lit up with excitement. You could tell he very badly wanted to play against the Packers.

It wasn't just the idea of going to the Super Bowl again? I would think that would mean more.

[GrnBay007]

When the rumors were swirling about him going to MN, didn't he outright say that he wanted to play against us?

You mean the same time the rumors were "swirling" about him having a Packer issued cell phone? ....that were false. Everyone has the right to believe what they want.

Anyway, who cares. I wouldn't blame him for wanting to play against the team that ditched him. It's all about competition after all.

[packinpatland]

Seems like the wife and the kids wouldn't mind spending a few days in Hawaii sometime.

I don't get Favre's indifference about the Pro Bowl.

Kind if debunks the 'need for the spotlight' theory......

Not at all : at the Pro Bowl, you'd have to share the spotlight with other great players.

I understand the pro bowl has become more of a popularity
contest than anything else anyway, another reason players
don't show up for it. Kind of sad...

It's something that has evolved into something that is meaningless.
Fans should not be allowed to vote. It meant something when you were voted in by your peers.

[Rastak]

Seems like the wife and the kids wouldn't mind spending a few days in Hawaii sometime.

I don't get Favre's indifference about the Pro Bowl.

Kind if debunks the 'need for the spotlight' theory......

Not at all : at the Pro Bowl, you'd have to share the spotlight with other great players.

I understand the pro bowl has become more of a popularity
contest than anything else anyway, another reason players
don't show up for it. Kind of sad...

It's something that has evolved into something that is meaningless.
Fans should not be allowed to vote. It meant something when you were voted in by your peers.

You folks do realize that fans only have a partial say in this, right? The fan vote, coach vote and player vote are all factored in.

[packinpatland]

Do you know how it's divided?

[sepporepi]

1/3 each as far as I know.

[vince]

The biggest problem with the pro-bowl voting is that it ends too early in the year - essentially before that last 5 games of the season are even played. That's for fans, coaches and players.

So when a player and team - like Favre and the Jets - are playing well and right in the hunt at that point - but then shit the can the last 6 games or so, none of the bad play is taken into account. Conversely, a guy and team like Rivers and the Chargers, who make a huge comeback at the end of the regular season to finish strong have that finish totally ignored because the voting has already been closed and tallied.

It causes people to make it who don't ultimately deserve it and people who ultimately deserve it to not make it.

There is obviously a reason for this, but I can't figure out a good one, since the regular season ends a full 7 weeks before the actual game. What's the rush to close the balloting and tally the more than votes 2 1/2 months before the game?

I'd say they should wait to OPEN the balloting until the season is complete. Or at a minimum, if they have to catch players before most of them check out the day after the season ends, wait until the last week of the season. Perhaps the more timely hype would even increase interest in the game...

The pro-bowl should be a reward for outstanding regular season play - the whole regular season - not the first 65% of it.

Another problem is that the player voting is a joke. Here's how Matt Bowen, former safety with the Packers and Redskins describes it.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/12/the-politics-of-the-pro-bowl-vote/

The Politics Of The Pro Bowl Vote

Now that the names of the 2008 Pro Bowl roster are starting to come out — complete with analysis, moaning and scratching of heads — I thought it would be pertinent to discuss how the players vote for this thing.

As some of you already know, votes are divided into thirds, with the media, fans and players all getting a share of the process. The fans usually vote for the names they hear on ESPN, the media usually votes for whomever is being talked about the most in magazines, and the players, well, they try and sabotage the whole thing.

Sabotage?

Sure. Maybe there’s a better word, just like NFP Fantasy expert Joe Fortenbaugh can pick a better jersey to wear to Eagles games than his 2003 Todd Pinkston jersey (at least it’s better than his Freddie Mitchell jersey). You see, the players vote, just like the fans, but they can’t vote for guys on their own teams.

Thus, the sabotage begins.

Let me explain. When I was a Redskin, we would break into groups by position. As a collective unit, we would talk, discuss, complain and figure out whom we wanted to play in Hawaii after the Super Bowl. Only one rule really stood out: NO COWBOYS.

Simple as that. There was no way possible we would vote for a Cowboys offensive player (defensive players vote for offense only). No chance. In fact, we would vote for anybody, and I mean anybody, who didn’t play in the NFC East, or would challenge our own guys such as Santana Moss or Clinton Portis. We wanted to see our own guys in the Pro Bowl, so we would write the names of guys who stood no chance of garnering enough votes, like Fortenbaugh’s boy Pinkston.

What about Buffalo? Well, it was more of the same. Absolutely, and I mean absolutely, we had one rule: NO PATRIOTS. Sorry, Tom Brady, but you were not going to get a vote from us. We tried our hardest to get Lee Evans across the water by writing in the names of a team’s third and fourth wideouts.

The same could be said for the respective offenses I played with. They voted for backups and role players on opposing defenses so we could get some votes (Not that I would, because I was one of the scrubs that the Patriots’ players probably wrote in). You see, it goes hand in hand, and it happens with every team across the league.

In saying this, when you take a look at the Pro Bowl roster today, you can be sure that this vote most likely came down to the fans and the media. Is it fair? No, it isn’t, but neither is the Pro Bowl. It has become a popularity contest, no different than the student council elections you had in high school. The discussions from TV talking heads will be heated, controversy will rain from the sky and the world will be in an upheaval because someone was left off of the list.

Please, this vote isn’t real anyway. The players try to rig it so their own guys make it, and the media, well, they really don’t know who or what they should vote for. If anything, the fans are the major players here. At least they watch the games.

However, remember this: The guys complaining on TV are the same guys who cast a vote.

Politics in the NFL. You gotta love it.

Bowen says it's the media and not the coaches who get the last third of the vote, but I think Ras is right about the coaches getting the last third.

[Patler]

When the rumors were swirling about him going to MN, didn't he outright say that he wanted to play against us?

You mean the same time the rumors were "swirling" about him having a Packer issued cell phone? ....that were false. Everyone has the right to believe what they want.

Anyway, who cares. I wouldn't blame him for wanting to play against the team that ditched him. It's all about competition after all.

Actually, he did. From the State Journal, a quote from Favre:

Asked what his objective is in wanting to play again, Favre texted, "My intentions have been to play, and with Green Bay. They say no, so I still want to play in this division for obvious reasons, which I made clear to management. If they won't let me play in Green Bay, let me play against you. That's where I am."