Roethlisberger HOF?

[Harlan Huckleby]

he damn good, that's for sure.

I think Tom Brady is better.

I'm not sure what the Hall of Fame means. Maybe the standards should be highrer.

[BF4MVP]

At this point, no. Roethlisberger should not be in the HoF. He won two superbowls on the backs of two historically good defenses. Personally, I would say that since the Hall of Fame is an individual award, individual statistics ought to matter much, much more than championships. Championships are a team victory, winning them or not winning them shouldn't have any bearing on your HoF status.

I can't believe Ben Roethlisberger has been in the league 5 years and made 1 Pro Bowl and people are already giving him HOF consideration. That is beyond ridiculous. In my mind, a player should have to have great individual statistics and longevity in order to be a Hall of Famer. The championships should enhance a player's status, but they shouldn't be the difference between a Hall of Famer and a Non-Hall of Famer..

[packinpatland]

I would say no to Rothelisburger at this point, I find it interesting that WR have been MVP's of both the Pittsburgh super bowl wins, not Ben. I also agree that Warner should get in, he has been to three SB's and tonight he played well except for that pick at the end of the 1st half.

Who threw the darn passes?
Ben deserves to be in .

MVP.........even Favre wasn't the MVP of his SB.

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At this point, no. Roethlisberger should not be in the HoF. He won two superbowls on the backs of two historically good defenses. Personally, I would say that since the Hall of Fame is an individual award, individual statistics ought to matter much, much more than championships. Championships are a team victory, winning them or not winning them shouldn't have any bearing on your HoF status.

I can't believe Ben Roethlisberger has been in the league 5 years and made 1 Pro Bowl and people are already giving him HOF consideration. That is beyond ridiculous. In my mind, a player should have to have great individual statistics and longevity in order to be a Hall of Famer. The championships should enhance a player's status, but they shouldn't be the difference between a Hall of Famer and a Non-Hall of Famer..

you don't need stats to get into the hall of fame

joe namath 173 td's, 220 int's a career qb rating of 65.5. he's in

johnny unitas 290 td's 253 int's 78.2 qb rating

terry bradshaw 212 td's, 210 int's, 70.9 qb rating

bart starr 152 td's, 138 int's, 80.5 qb rating

troy aikman 165 td's, 141 int's, 81.6 qb rating

dan fouts 254-242, 80.2

bob griese 192-172, 77.1

rodger staubach 153-109, 83.4

they are all in the hall with so-so numbers

big ben 101-69, 89.4 qb rating in 5 seasons

[MTPackerfan]

I would say no to Rothelisburger at this point, I find it interesting that WR have been MVP's of both the Pittsburgh super bowl wins, not Ben. I also agree that Warner should get in, he has been to three SB's and tonight he played well except for that pick at the end of the 1st half.

Who threw the darn passes?
Ben deserves to be in .

MVP.........even Favre wasn't the MVP of his SB.

To be honest, I am not sure why Holmes got it over Ben anyway. BR eluded several potential sacks that would have lost the game for them and like you said, he threw the passes to holmes.

[VegasPackFan]

Big Ben will probably win at least one more and therefore will be a HOF'er.

You cannot deny how this guy just hangs in that pocket and makes things happen. If he goes to a few more he will only have better stats to show for it.

[KYPack]

The only negative with Ben could be his youth.

Roethlisberger is still young enough to destroy his legacy.

He could still tail way off and have a Kordell Stwart-like finsih to his career. That's what it would take to wreck his chances.

If he just plays average now until his retirement, he is in there with his two rings.

[SnakeLH2006]

At this point, no. Roethlisberger should not be in the HoF. He won two superbowls on the backs of two historically good defenses. Personally, I would say that since the Hall of Fame is an individual award, individual statistics ought to matter much, much more than championships. Championships are a team victory, winning them or not winning them shouldn't have any bearing on your HoF status.

I can't believe Ben Roethlisberger has been in the league 5 years and made 1 Pro Bowl and people are already giving him HOF consideration. That is beyond ridiculous. In my mind, a player should have to have great individual statistics and longevity in order to be a Hall of Famer. The championships should enhance a player's status, but they shouldn't be the difference between a Hall of Famer and a Non-Hall of Famer..

you don't need stats to get into the hall of fame

joe namath 173 td's, 220 int's a career qb rating of 65.5. he's in

johnny unitas 290 td's 253 int's 78.2 qb rating

terry bradshaw 212 td's, 210 int's, 70.9 qb rating

bart starr 152 td's, 138 int's, 80.5 qb rating

troy aikman 165 td's, 141 int's, 81.6 qb rating

dan fouts 254-242, 80.2

bob griese 192-172, 77.1

rodger staubach 153-109, 83.4

they are all in the hall with so-so numbers

big ben 101-69, 89.4 qb rating in 5 seasons

Wow what terrible stats..

Griese (piloted one insane Dolphin season...great broadcaster).
Bradshaw (very personable, 4 SB's would do it)
Namath....(pimp daddy, boastmaster) but 65.5 career QB rating...REALLY...

Dayummmm...I know that it wasn't a huge stat like QB rating is now, but it does measure important stuff that impacts the game from the top position (might not have been know, but QB rating affects games in many ways). I know he was innacurate, but damn if he'd be out the league in 3 years with that rating. Tell me a team that would have a QB with that rating (even if they won nowadays) that would continue to let that QB start (Vince Young no longer starts). Those are Ryan Leaf numbers.

As far as Big Ben...great individual season numbers and postseason numbers (not so much SuperBowl though) and insane winning % and leadership intangibles make him on pace with a few more good winning seasons. Right now, no, but at his pace, by 30 he'd be a lock. Great player and leader.

[bobblehead]

Aikman is the best comparison...a solid QB blessed with a top notch defense...but Aikman had even better running game than Roth has. Aik went first ballot so unless Big Ben is caught with a 12 year old or murders his exwife I would say he is already near a lock.

[Patler]

Which just goes to show that many QBs make the HOF because of the team they were with rather than what they really did.

Would Terry Bradshaw be in the HOF if he had played for the Packers?
Would Lynn Dickey be in the HOF if he had played for the Steelers?

[Cheesehead Craig]

If Big Ben got hurt bad enough this offseason and his career came to a sudden end he would not be in. Not enough of an overall body of work. He's gotta stick around a bit longer.

[Freak Out]

Which just goes to show that many QBs make the HOF because of the team they were with rather than what they really did.

Would Terry Bradshaw be in the HOF if he had played for the Packers?
Would Lynn Dickey be in the HOF if he had played for the Steelers?

No.
Yes.

It is so hard to judge just on stats because of all the rule changes over the years and how it changed the game.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Likely in, deserving or not. This is the NFL, and the SB is a deal breaker.

John Elway, despite a great career, was in doubt until he won it.

You are high as a kite. Elway was in the HOF regardless of winning the SB.

Didn't stop Tark, wouldn't have stopped Elway.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

at this point no. warner...yes.

Warner: No way. 5 good years doesnt' get you in the HOF.

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I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.