Roethlisberger HOF?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.

As if you have it.

Please, go back to your bi annual, partial "i'm fat thread and now i want to discuss working out."

[pbmax]

The only negative with Ben could be his youth.

Roethlisberger is still young enough to destroy his legacy.

He could still tail way off and have a Kordell Stwart-like finsih to his career. That's what it would take to wreck his chances.

If he just plays average now until his retirement, he is in there with his two rings.

Probably true, but there is always injury. Terrell Davis isn't going in and he was more dominant with 2 Super Bowl titles to his name. Also did not help that people named Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell got 1,000 yards. People forget that Davis was WAY above that standard and was better than all the others in the Denver system. Ben should hope that Byron Leftwich never gets to Hostetler him.

People have said Elway was in doubt before the Super Bowls. I am sure he would have collected less of the vote, but as he is seen as one of the four best ever (Montana, Marino, Unitas), and Marino somehow snuck in, Elway was a lock.

You cannot compare cumulative passing stats between eras. Rule changes in 1978 and beyond changed the entire game. Aikman is the case that sits poorly with his stats compared to his contemporaries. Could he have done more if he had to pass more? Probably. Was he good enough as the primary offensive weapon to get in on his own? We'll never know.

[Partial]

I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.

As if you have it.

Please, go back to your bi annual, partial "i'm fat thread and now i want to discuss working out."

ROFL. Scared to put your money where your mouth is? It's very obvious to everyone and their mother that Warner is a shoe in.

[bobblehead]

I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.

As if you have it.

Please, go back to your bi annual, partial "i'm fat thread and now i want to discuss working out."

ROFL. Scared to put your money where your mouth is? It's very obvious to everyone and their mother that Warner is a shoe in.

Yes warner is a lock...3 super bowls with 2 seperate teams. One win, An MVP award. And QBing the last NFL franchise toa super bowl.

[Fritz]

At this point, no. Roethlisberger should not be in the HoF. He won two superbowls on the backs of two historically good defenses. Personally, I would say that since the Hall of Fame is an individual award, individual statistics ought to matter much, much more than championships. Championships are a team victory, winning them or not winning them shouldn't have any bearing on your HoF status.

I can't believe Ben Roethlisberger has been in the league 5 years and made 1 Pro Bowl and people are already giving him HOF consideration. That is beyond ridiculous. In my mind, a player should have to have great individual statistics and longevity in order to be a Hall of Famer. The championships should enhance a player's status, but they shouldn't be the difference between a Hall of Famer and a Non-Hall of Famer..

you don't need stats to get into the hall of fame

joe namath 173 td's, 220 int's a career qb rating of 65.5. he's in

johnny unitas 290 td's 253 int's 78.2 qb rating

terry bradshaw 212 td's, 210 int's, 70.9 qb rating

bart starr 152 td's, 138 int's, 80.5 qb rating

troy aikman 165 td's, 141 int's, 81.6 qb rating

dan fouts 254-242, 80.2

bob griese 192-172, 77.1

rodger staubach 153-109, 83.4

they are all in the hall with so-so numbers

big ben 101-69, 89.4 qb rating in 5 seasons

I honestly had no idea that hall of fame QB's threw so many picks. Holy cow. Joe Namath looks like he was an interception machine.

And personally, I always, always thought Terry Bradshaw was way overrated.

Don't give me that crap "he's a winner," either. You can have a rocket arm, perfect football intelligence, awesome decision-making skills, great mobility, great size, strength, speed, and so on and so on and so on, but if you don't have talent around you, it's not your fault you don't get to a Super Bowl. If your TEAM sucks, you can't take them to the promised land.

The Hall of Fame is I thought about individuals, for the most part.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.

As if you have it.

Please, go back to your bi annual, partial "i'm fat thread and now i want to discuss working out."

ROFL. Scared to put your money where your mouth is? It's very obvious to everyone and their mother that Warner is a shoe in.

The only thing i'm afraid of is your poor english skills.

I'm sure Warner will enter the Hall with Money Morency.

Obvious to everyone? LOL There are plenty that dont' believe he is HOF worthy.

“He’s not even in the conversation,” Vito Stellino, a football writer and a Hall of Fame voter, was quoted as saying last week if the Cardinals didn’t win.

Writing before the game, Gary Myers of The Daily News said the second Super Bowl victory was “crucial”. (Warner has one victory and two losses in Super Bowls.)

I believe Phil Simms would be in the Hall of Fame if he didn’t get injured late in the 1990 season and was the quarterback instead of Jeff Hostetler when the Giants beat the Bills

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Myers later quoted ESPN’s John Clayton as saying: “He needs to win this game. I don’t think there is any question,” although Clayton said Warner could also get in with a few more elite seasons.

Ken Anderson, Phil Simms, and Kenny Stabler aren't in the Hall. Warner wont' make it.

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Alright, then make the bet, guy. Warner is a virtual lock imo. Especially with his fantastic performance in the big game. Stats aren't everything, but he has had damn impressive numbers in the super bowl.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Alright, then make the bet, guy. Warner is a virtual lock imo. Especially with his fantastic performance in the big game. Stats aren't everything, but he has had damn impressive numbers in the super bowl.

Well, look at you backpedal..from everyone..to just make the bet. The fact remains that he has had 5 good seasons..that ain't enough..and plenty of HOF voters feel the same way.

Why would i bet you? You have a history of making bets and paying off? You have 10k available? Prove it.

Tell you what..put the 10k in some sort of escrow and we'll talk.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.

As if you have it.

Please, go back to your bi annual, partial "i'm fat thread and now i want to discuss working out."

ROFL. Scared to put your money where your mouth is? It's very obvious to everyone and their mother that Warner is a shoe in.

Yes warner is a lock...3 super bowls with 2 seperate teams. One win, An MVP award. And QBing the last NFL franchise toa super bowl.

You obviously don't follow the NFL has many writers have come out against him. He is hardly a lock. Locks go in on the first ballot.

I'll put up any amount that he isn't going in on the first ballot.

[Guiness]

I honestly had no idea that hall of fame QB's threw so many picks. Holy cow. Joe Namath looks like he was an interception machine.

Namath is always the post card guy for 'which one of these things doesn't belong'. Thing is, he's in because of one game, and the guarantee.

He QB'd the first AFC team to win a SB, and until that happened, popular thinking was that the NFL was SO superior that the AFC could not, and would not, win the NFL-AFL championship, maybe not for years.

Without that one game, and probably with it but without the boast, he's not in.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.

If you get a taker for that bet, I will be happy to hold the money from both parties until a winner can be determined. I have references, its cool.

[mraynrand]

I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.

That's a smart bet. I'll bet you 1,000,000 that Ahmad Carroll gets in the HOF.

[LEWCWA]

Its hard to say becuase he didn't play particularly well in either of them, and sicne there really is no other instance like this to compare to, you can't use porecedent. To answer, I say he is not HOF yet.

Ben didn't play well this weekend? Are you blind? He had and awsome game. The guy was lights out Sunday....As far as the hall is concerned, he is on a carrer path the ends in Canton....and I don't think the Steelers are going to go Detroit anytime soon...I would guess he ends up with a bust!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I will bet you 10,000 USD that Kurt Warner gets in the hall of fame.

If you get a taker for that bet, I will be happy to hold the money from both parties until a winner can be determined. I have references, its cool.

Time to put up or shut up Partial. As soon as HH PMs me that he has your money, i'll send him mine.

P.S. HH i will expect you put mine in some sort of interest bearing account.

[Partial]

Ty I already said lets do the bet. Agree to it and consider it a done deal.