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  • #16
    Originally posted by rbaloha
    Originally posted by Partial
    Originally posted by Waldo
    Originally posted by Lurker64
    I think his comments on Maualuga are spot on.
    2 down linebacker.

    Great college player, fairly useless in the pros.
    Remember that guy from Miami that had similiar questions about him, as well as comparable athleticism, stature, hitting ability, etc, that fell to the bottom of round one?

    Yeah, Maualuga is Rey Lewis version 2.0.
    Maualuga is a good player but not worthy of a #9 pick. May not reach Ray Lewis level but should be better than Hawk. Reminds me more of Seau though. But probably does not reach this level.
    Okay, wait. Have you really watched that much USC football? Where do you live? Even if I have watched that much USC Football, I doubt I would be able to or want to zero in on a line backer. Especially when you watch it on TV. If the other teams in the gun-you cant even see the linebackers. Also, is Ray Lewis better than Junior Seau in your opinion? How so?
    Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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    • #17
      I could see Maualuga falling pretty far like Dan Connor did last year. Doesn't mean they won't both be players.
      70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Waldo
        Originally posted by pack4to84
        Raji was double team just about every play. The plays he was not doubled. He penetrated, but the offense play was designed for him to take himself out of the play. In a 3-4 defense the NT job is to require double team.
        Welcome to the NFL. When you become too good at something, teams devise things that use that good play to your disadvantage. Aggressive LB's that overpursue, DT's that penetrate excessively, works great in college, and gives up big plays in the pros.

        When the 3-4 NT can take 2 OL blockers, not give up ground, and not let either by, they are doing a good job. When the NT requires two OL to pass block him, he is playing elite. That means that if both OLB's blitz, one will be isolated against a TE or RB. NT is a thankless job, but if we got Raji and he was a good enough rusher that the C needed help against him, Kamp or the other OLB (Thompson, English, Peppers?) will be blocked by just a TE or RB.
        This is 100% correct.

        The best rookie DL I've seen in the last few years is Haloti Ngata. It was obvious that he was gonna be a big thing in the NFL in his first season. But, he didn't have that great an impact for the Ravens that year. Sedrick Ellis is the same deal. Good rookie year, but did he propel the Saints to the Super Bowl?

        We will be lucky if our #1 pick is a DL that can play, let alone make a difference.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by KYPack
          Originally posted by Waldo
          Originally posted by pack4to84
          Raji was double team just about every play. The plays he was not doubled. He penetrated, but the offense play was designed for him to take himself out of the play. In a 3-4 defense the NT job is to require double team.
          Welcome to the NFL. When you become too good at something, teams devise things that use that good play to your disadvantage. Aggressive LB's that overpursue, DT's that penetrate excessively, works great in college, and gives up big plays in the pros.

          When the 3-4 NT can take 2 OL blockers, not give up ground, and not let either by, they are doing a good job. When the NT requires two OL to pass block him, he is playing elite. That means that if both OLB's blitz, one will be isolated against a TE or RB. NT is a thankless job, but if we got Raji and he was a good enough rusher that the C needed help against him, Kamp or the other OLB (Thompson, English, Peppers?) will be blocked by just a TE or RB.
          This is 100% correct.

          The best rookie DL I've seen in the last few years is Haloti Ngata. It was obvious that he was gonna be a big thing in the NFL in his first season. But, he didn't have that great an impact for the Ravens that year. Sedrick Ellis is the same deal. Good rookie year, but did he propel the Saints to the Super Bowl?

          We will be lucky if our #1 pick is a DL that can play, let alone make a difference.
          That's what intrigues me about Bedard's comments on Fili Moala. Obviously related to the best rookie DL you've seen in the last few years but he also suggests that he could fill an need at defensive end while being groomed for nose tackle.
          70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by sheepshead
            Originally posted by rbaloha
            Originally posted by Partial
            Originally posted by Waldo
            Originally posted by Lurker64
            I think his comments on Maualuga are spot on.
            2 down linebacker.

            Great college player, fairly useless in the pros.
            Remember that guy from Miami that had similiar questions about him, as well as comparable athleticism, stature, hitting ability, etc, that fell to the bottom of round one?

            Yeah, Maualuga is Rey Lewis version 2.0.
            Maualuga is a good player but not worthy of a #9 pick. May not reach Ray Lewis level but should be better than Hawk. Reminds me more of Seau though. But probably does not reach this level.
            Okay, wait. Have you really watched that much USC football? Where do you live? Even if I have watched that much USC Football, I doubt I would be able to or want to zero in on a line backer. Especially when you watch it on TV. If the other teams in the gun-you cant even see the linebackers. Also, is Ray Lewis better than Junior Seau in your opinion? How so?
            Residing in Hawaii every USC game is on tv in Hawaii. Not saying Seau is better than Lewis. Mauluaga style of play is similar to Seau.

            Not saying he is another Seau. Teh Problem with watching USC's defense is the talent level is so high that numerous players are swarming making plays -- Pete Carrol style of defense.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Partial
              Remember that guy from Miami that had similiar questions about him, as well as comparable athleticism, stature, hitting ability, etc, that fell to the bottom of round one?

              Yeah, Maualuga is Rey Lewis version 2.0.
              The thing about Maualuga that makes you worry that didn't make you worry about Lewis is that Maualuga made the same mistakes as a senior that he did as a freshman. He didn't really get noticeably better in four years in probably the best coaching program in all of college football. Who's to think that any NFL team is capable of overcoming the glaring weaknesses in his game.

              Regardless of whether or not he's going to be a bust or not, the fact of the matter is that he's much better suited to a 4-3 mike than he is to a 3-4 (Fairbanks-Bullough) ILB, and he's much more suited to a (Fairbanks-Bullough) ILB than he is to a (Capers-LeBeau) ILB.
              </delurk>

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Lurker64
                Originally posted by Partial
                Remember that guy from Miami that had similiar questions about him, as well as comparable athleticism, stature, hitting ability, etc, that fell to the bottom of round one?

                Yeah, Maualuga is Rey Lewis version 2.0.
                The thing about Maualuga that makes you worry that didn't make you worry about Lewis is that Maualuga made the same mistakes as a senior that he did as a freshman. He didn't really get noticeably better in four years in probably the best coaching program in all of college football. Who's to think that any NFL team is capable of overcoming the glaring weaknesses in his game.

                Regardless of whether or not he's going to be a bust or not, the fact of the matter is that he's much better suited to a 4-3 mike than he is to a 3-4 (Fairbanks-Bullough) ILB, and he's much more suited to a (Fairbanks-Bullough) ILB than he is to a (Capers-LeBeau) ILB.
                Linebackers Coach Ken Norton has actually improved the previously undisciplined RM.

                RM is less aggressive in play action fakes and less likely to overrun plays. Gap integrity has improved tremendously during junior and senior years.

                In fact RM also improved his play against the pass. Recall the interception touchdown against Ohio State. The hitting remains intense and fiery and nasty attitude is a huge plus.

                RM may slip after the combine due to test results measured against peers and lack of a ripped athletic body like teammate Cushing.

                With that said, RM can still be a good NFL player and worthy of the Packers second round pick. Should RM start to slip late in the first round TT should consider a tradeup with the second round pick.

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                • #23
                  Oh, as down as I am on Maualuga, I would consider taking him in the second round if there's not a guy who better fits a need (Ron Brace, Clint Sintim, Larry English, etc.) available. He's just in now conceivable way a good pick by the Packers in the first round.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by oregonpackfan
                    I have watched RB Jeremiah Johnson play for the Oregon Ducks the past two seasons. His strength is catching a screen pass and running in the open field. He is a very elusive RB and has great use of the stiff arm.
                    Yeah, but can he skin Grizz? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcsXC2xFis4
                    I can't run no more
                    With that lawless crowd
                    While the killers in high places
                    Say their prayers out loud
                    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                    A thundercloud
                    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Joemailman
                      Originally posted by oregonpackfan
                      I have watched RB Jeremiah Johnson play for the Oregon Ducks the past two seasons. His strength is catching a screen pass and running in the open field. He is a very elusive RB and has great use of the stiff arm.
                      Yeah, but can he skin Grizz? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcsXC2xFis4
                      Thanks for the memories, Joe. It's been a long time since I've seen that movie!

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