Favre plans to retire!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Thanks, but no thanks.

Not going to argue this shit with you. Knock him all you want. Few years down the road you will realize what an idiot you are.

When did i knock him?

The simple fact is that you refuse to acknowledge that TT is the organization. TT is the GM. TT and EVERY member of the packer org should be at the ceremony.

As for benefit: Interesting how you make assertions then refuse to explain. I find it almost ludicrous to suggest that a team with 30k or so people on the waiting list for tix, a team with a die hard wisco and national fan base, and a team that consistently ranks in the top ten for mechandise (we were 5th for 08) will see much of a benefit.,

But, when you feel emotionally able to discuss in a rational manner, this "idiot" will be here to learn.

[GrnBay007]

As for benefit: Interesting how you make assertions then refuse to explain. I find it almost ludicrous to suggest that a team with 30k or so people on the waiting list for tix, a team with a die hard wisco and national fan base, and a team that consistently ranks in the top ten for mechandise (we were 5th for 08) will see much of a benefit.,

If they didn't think they would benefit, why would they offer him 20 million to make appearances, etc? Of course there is a benefit!

I'm not saying the Packers will suffer because Brett Favre is gone...the fan base is awesome.

But I was actually talking about the retirement ceremony. If/when that happens it will be a huge draw in Green Bay ....and there is no way you can deny that.

[packinpatland]

Hey Tyrone......................Favre sells $$$$$$$$$

[Bossman641]

As for benefit: Interesting how you make assertions then refuse to explain. I find it almost ludicrous to suggest that a team with 30k or so people on the waiting list for tix, a team with a die hard wisco and national fan base, and a team that consistently ranks in the top ten for mechandise (we were 5th for 08) will see much of a benefit.,

If they didn't think they would benefit, why would they offer him 20 million to make appearances, etc? Of course there is a benefit!

I'm not saying the Packers will suffer because Brett Favre is gone...the fan base is awesome.

But I was actually talking about the retirement ceremony. If/when that happens it will be a huge draw in Green Bay ....and there is no way you can deny that.

Don't you think it would be a huge draw regardless of whether TT is there at the retirement ceremony or not?

I don't see how a TT appearance would drive down the interest in Favre's jersey retirement. Hell, maybe they can even put TT in stocks after the game and let all the Favre superfans throw tomatoes at him for driving their superhero away. That would really drive up the interest.

Hopefully, at some point, the hurt feelings will subside and both sides will talk. Maybe Favre could even shake TT's hand, which would reflect well on Favre, TT, and the organization. Would I be angry at Favre if he doesn't do that? No. But I also wouldn't be angry at the Packers if they refuse to have Favre's retirement until he grows up and stops looking at things so emotionally.

[GrnBay007]

Don't you think it would be a huge draw regardless of whether TT is there at the retirement ceremony or not?

The initial discussion was about Harlan and Wolf being there. It will be a huge draw regardless. I just agreed with someone saying it would be nice to have both of them there. I really wouldn't care if TT is there or not.

I don't see how a TT appearance would drive down the interest in Favre's jersey retirement. Hell, maybe they can even put TT in stocks after the game and let all the Favre superfans throw tomatoes at him for driving their superhero away. That would really drive up the interest.

Interesting marketing idea.

Hopefully, at some point, the hurt feelings will subside and both sides will talk. Maybe Favre could even shake TT's hand, which would reflect well on Favre, TT, and the organization. Would I be angry at Favre if he doesn't do that? No. But I also wouldn't be angry at the Packers if they refuse to have Favre's retirement until he grows up and stops looking at things so emotionally.

That's funny. The Packers refuse to have his jersey retirement? I don't think that will happen.

The point that some were making is that it will be Favre's jersey retirement. Would be nice to give him some consideration in the matter. Maybe the bitter Favre fans could even find it in their heart to celebrate for a moment or two on that day.

[Bossman641]

Hopefully, at some point, the hurt feelings will subside and both sides will talk. Maybe Favre could even shake TT's hand, which would reflect well on Favre, TT, and the organization. Would I be angry at Favre if he doesn't do that? No. But I also wouldn't be angry at the Packers if they refuse to have Favre's retirement until he grows up and stops looking at things so emotionally.

That's funny. The Packers refuse to have his jersey retirement? I don't think that will happen.

The point that some were making is that it will be Favre's jersey retirement. Would be nice to give him some consideration in the matter. Maybe the bitter Favre fans could even find it in their heart to celebrate for a moment or two on that day.

They will obviously retire his jersey. The issue is when that will be. My point is that if Favre and Co. came to the Packer organization and said "yea we want to do the retirement this day but that's only if TT is not allowed to show his face in the stadium" then I would not blame the Packers one bit if they said "thanks, but no thanks. Call us back when you are willing to have ALL the organization there to support you."

[Harlan Huckleby]

I wonder how many people in here have heard the ramblings from those who live in Green Bay about how BF was treated the last time in GB when he got into the stadium at the game. My guess is very few..which is fine. I've never bothered brining any of the points up because it would just add to the warfare.

And as it turned out, the PAckers were 100% justified in keeping Favre away from the team.
Favre had a giant chip on his shoulder, was full of hate for Packer management, and had no intention of competing for his job.
MM spent six hours talking to Favre, and they both concluded there was ZERO chance that Favre was mentally in a state to be a positive teammate.

Its not surprising that there are many Favre worshippers in Green Bay. It is not surpring that these fans-till-death will always see Favre as a hero and victim, regardless of his conduct. These people are idiots.

It's great as fans to think we know the whole story; ignorant too IMO. We know what was fed to us by Favre's side, the politician hired to make GB smell like a rose, and the Packer brass

Here we go. Since there is ZERO evidence that Favre was mistreated by TT or MM, we have the secret slight theory. TT did something really bad, but Favre never discussed it publicly because, because, well, just because.

Other players don't get to use the "we don't know everything", get-out-of-jail-free card. Just Lord Farve.

[Gunakor]

I really think an appropriate time to retire #4 is five years from now, before he goes into the Hall of Fame. Why should we be in a hurry?

It's not like we have to worry about Favre dying, the stadium burning down, or anybody else accidentally being issued #4 in the meantime.

I mean, we still haven't retired Hornung's number. Reggie White was dead for a year and a half, out of football for five years, and out of Green and Gold for seven years when we retired his number. If we wait 20 years to retire Brett's number, so what?

I think an appropriate time would be AFTER he is enshrined. If only because the other numbers that the Packers have retired belonged to players already enshrined themselves. IMO if you want your name and number at the north end zone, you have to wait for your bust to be put on display in Canton. That's the way it's been for other Packer greats who have had their number retired, so in all fairness, I'd make both Favre and Thompson wait if I were Mark Murphy.

[Gunakor]

The point that some were making is that it will be Favre's jersey retirement. Would be nice to give him some consideration in the matter. Maybe the bitter Favre fans could even find it in their heart to celebrate for a moment or two on that day.

What consideration would you be referring to? Thompson has already offered to have this ceremony for him. As I understand it, the ball is in Favre's court now. He has to decide for himself when, or if, he will come back and celebrate with us.

If the issue is TT being there, then I'd say Favre is being a bit childish. This isn't about TT, and it's not going to be made about TT, but TT WILL be there (If this ceremony takes place during TT's tenure here, if not the next GM will be). Thompson helped orchestrate Favre's last run at greatness, just as he'll be helping to orchestrate the celebration of Favre's career and the retirement of his jersey. He's the GM of the franchise right now. Whether you are okay with that or not, it is what it is. And if that is the reason for Favre not wanting to come celebrate with us, then from a purely objective standpoint, Favre is being a baby in this deal. IMO he should just recount that 100 million dollars we've paid him over his career, clutch that Super Bowl ring a little tighter, talk to some of his teammates over the years, and come celebrate with the franchise who made all of that happen - regardless who the GM is.

[cpk1994]

Why are some so obsessed with the feelings of a guy that drove Brett Favre out of Green Bay?

I don't know, why are people obsessed with Brett Favre's, who drove himself out of GB, feelings?

TT did not drive Brett out of GB. Brett RETIRED, remember? And here I thought you were better than aceepting the drviel that comes out of Brett's mouth as 100% fact.

[Gunakor]

Why are some so obsessed with the feelings of a guy that drove Brett Favre out of Green Bay?

I don't know, why are people obsessed with Brett Favre's, who drove himself out of GB, feelings?

TT did not drive Brett out of GB. Brett RETIRED, remember? And here I thought you were better than aceepting the drviel that comes out of Brett's mouth as 100% fact.

To be fair, what Brett says could in fact turn out to be the truth. He may just have been lied to or decieved by TT. We'll probably never know what really went down during that fiasco. Which is why this bitter divide in Packer Nation exists in the first place - everybody seems to be making assumptions based on who they are more loyal to.

Now, to be clear, I side with Thompson on this one for a few reasons. One, Thompson made what he figured was the best business decision for our franchise, while Favre is complaining about personal issues. Second, given what we know now, Favre has less to stand on after what he said during his presser last March the 6th. He said he is done, having nothing left to give. That was false. He said he has nothing left to prove, and that was very much untrue. He said he wasn't being pushed out the door, now that story has changed a bit as well. So, if all we are basing our opinions on are assumptions, I have to assume that Favre is the one in the wrong here. He speaks frankly about the Packers organization being dishonest, yet isn't exactly Honest Abe himself.

Then I think about the other players on the roster. Al Harris had a beef with his prior contract a few years back, and was told to play out the season and they'd take care of him during the following offseason. He played his ass off that season for us and, wouldn't you know it, was rewarded with a 4 year contract extension the following offseason as promised. You could probably lump Donald Driver and Nick Barnett in that group of players with contract issues that got resolved as well. Aaron Rodgers had nothing but praise for the organization for being so honest with him when interviewed on Rome Is Burning the week before the Super Bowl. Listening to other players on the roster, and learning their stories, it doesn't really illustrate a dishonest, not-very-loyal franchise that Favre would describe.

So who would you believe?

[cpk1994]

Why are some so obsessed with the feelings of a guy that drove Brett Favre out of Green Bay?

I don't know, why are people obsessed with Brett Favre's, who drove himself out of GB, feelings?

TT did not drive Brett out of GB. Brett RETIRED, remember? And here I thought you were better than aceepting the drviel that comes out of Brett's mouth as 100% fact.

To be fair, what Brett says could in fact turn out to be the truth. He may just have been lied to or decieved by TT. We'll probably never know what really went down during that fiasco. Which is why this bitter divide in Packer Nation exists in the first place - everybody seems to be making assumptions based on who they are more loyal to.

Now, to be clear, I side with Thompson on this one for a few reasons. One, Thompson made what he figured was the best business decision for our franchise, while Favre is complaining about personal issues. Second, given what we know now, Favre has less to stand on after what he said during his presser last March the 6th. He said he is done, having nothing left to give. That was false. He said he has nothing left to prove, and that was very much untrue. He said he wasn't being pushed out the door, now that story has changed a bit as well. So, if all we are basing our opinions on are assumptions, I have to assume that Favre is the one in the wrong here. He speaks frankly about the Packers organization being dishonest, yet isn't exactly Honest Abe himself.

Then I think about the other players on the roster. Al Harris had a beef with his prior contract a few years back, and was told to play out the season and they'd take care of him during the following offseason. He played his ass off that season for us and, wouldn't you know it, was rewarded with a 4 year contract extension the following offseason as promised. You could probably lump Donald Driver and Nick Barnett in that group of players with contract issues that got resolved as well. Aaron Rodgers had nothing but praise for the organization for being so honest with him when interviewed on Rome Is Burning the week before the Super Bowl. Listening to other players on the roster, and learning their stories, it doesn't really illustrate a dishonest, not-very-loyal franchise that Favre would describe.

So who would you believe?

I, like you am with Thompson and hertily endorse the points in your post. Under Thompson, Favre is the only one who is claiming the Packers are dishonest. Not even Javon Walker said that, and even he got what he wanted in the end.

[Harlan Huckleby]

To be fair, what Brett says could in fact turn out to be the truth. He may just have been lied to or decieved by TT. We'll probably never know

Huh? Favre went on the Gretta Van Sustren Show to broadcast how he had been abused. It turned into a self-pity party, with Favre grasping at straws. He was hardly holding his tongue.

If Favre was lied to, why did the Favre camp, including ESPN, never state anything specific? Its not like they were shy about slandering the Packer management in general terms. The Packers published a detailed chronology of events, the Favre Cult had EVERY opportunity to challenge wrong or misleading information.

"To be fair", as you say, there is zero evidence that Favre was mistreated in any way. And "to be fair", it is wrong to slander TT with these theories that don't pass the smell test.

[cpk1994]

To be fair, what Brett says could in fact turn out to be the truth. He may just have been lied to or decieved by TT. We'll probably never know

Huh? Favre went on the Gretta Van Sustren Show to broadcast how he had been abused. It turned into a self-pity party, with Favre grasping at straws. He was hardly holding his tongue.

If Favre was lied to, why did the Favre camp, including ESPN, never state anything specific? Its not like they were shy about slandering the Packer management in general terms. The Packers published a detailed chronology of events, the Favre Cult had EVERY opportunity to challenge wrong or misleading information.

"To be fair", as you say, there is zero evidence that Favre was mistreated in any way. And "to be fair", it is wrong to slander TT with these theories that don't pass the smell test.

Yeah. I don't see how TT could have decieved BRett. TT, which Favre confirmed, agreed once to let him back, and Favre changed his mind. After that, TT decided Rodgers was the guy no matter what. Telling Brett he could comeback to be the backup was in line with that. As far as I can see, TT never told Brett he couldn't comeback. Brett just coudln't handle the fact that the team wouldn't bend down, kiss his ring, and just give him the starter job whenever he felt like he wanted it back.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Why are some so obsessed with the feelings of a guy that drove Brett Favre out of Green Bay?

The extreme Favre supporters behave like any other religious cult. Facts don't matter, it's all faith-based. Love of Him justifies any statement in His support.

The only action that TT took was to not accept Favre back as the starting QB in July, 5 months after he had retired. It was a debatable choice, but certainly a reasonable one. Now in retrospect, TT looks positively wise.

Starting around November, the Favre Cult has been saying in desperate tones that they hoped that He would retire after this season. Why? Its obvious that Favre has lost his edge, and they don't want to see him embarass himself further.

So why is the cult unwilling to simply acknowledge that TT made the correct decision in the interest of the Packers? Why are they carrying on with this outragous slur about TT "driving Favre out of town."?

BEcause it is a cult.