Favre plans to retire!

[Pugger]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

If Brett has sent in his retirement papers to the NFL offices then he is done. Frankly, I'm relieved. There has been enough drama with this situation to last us a lifetime.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

Ya, I was listening to Favre's press conference yesteday. Somebody asked him, "Will you wait until Ted Thompson is gone before returning to Lambeau to have your number retired."

Long Pause. An ambiguous answer.

I'm surprised. I thought Favre had come to his sense by now.

I think Favre was 100% in the wrong in that saga. When you retire, you don't have a right to demand a return to your old status 6 months later. I have no problem forgiving him, but if he is permantly childish, then the hell with him.

[cpk1994]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

If Brett has sent in his retirement papers to the NFL offices then he is done. Frankly, I'm relieved. There has been enough drama with this situation to last us a lifetime.

The papers mean nothing other than kick starting his retirement benefits. He can still comeback if he wants. That said, Roger Goodell may not be as quick to sign off on reinstatement if Brett pulls the same stunts.

[KYPack]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

Ya, I was listening to Favre's press conference yesteday. Somebody asked him, "Will you wait until Ted Thompson is gone before returning to Lambeau to have your number retired."

Long Pause. An ambiguous answer.

I'm surprised. I thought Favre had come to his sense by now.

I think Favre was 100% in the wrong in that saga. When you retire, you don't have a right to demand a return to your old status 6 months later. I have no problem forgiving him, but if he is permantly childish, then the hell with him.

There's some real bad blood there, HH.

Not just Brett, the whole Favre clan has a serious stiffy for Thompson.

"Country Folk will survive" and all that shit.

I honestly think Brett won't come up there until TT is out of the picture.

That, or Murphy would have to put together a deal where TT is so low profile, he was invisible. For a "retire the number" ceremony or whatever.

That whole Mississippi bunch is headstrong and stubborn. Including Deanna.

[Harlan Huckleby]

That whole Mississippi bunch is headstrong and stubborn. Including Deanna.

Wow. Well, its not a battle they are going to win in WI, if they care about public opinion.

Geez, he got a trade to a team that played better than the Packers this year. That talk of "Just let him play" was a false accusation. Favre sounded happy to play for the Jets, and he made the best of it.

I have not heard a SINGLE issue from the Favre clan that implicates TT in any sort of dirty dealing. If he made false comments to the public, name them specificially. There are only vague suggestions. If TT did something unethical, why the secrecy?

[bbbffl66]

I'm just registering my presence in this thread.

Who knows, he might retire and this will be the big one. I can sell ad space to JSO or something.

Other than that, I hope we mend things with him from an organizational standpoint. And contrary to popular belief (or not), that's gonna have much more to do with Brett's attitude than anyone else's (TT for example).

I want to think it's 50/50, but comments from Favre like how Ted was trying to take his team away from him cause me to believe that it just might have a bit more to do with Favre than Thompson. It smacks of ego and a sense of entitlement on Favre's part, and until he gets over the fact that the Packers are not nor ever were HIS team I'm not sure bridges can be rebuilt.

Favre was a great quarterback, and will be remembered as such no matter what happens. He took this team to heights unrealized in 25 years prior to his arrival in Green Bay. He helped to restore respect to a franchise that had turned into the Siberia of the NFL. But he did all of that as a quarterback, just one of 53 players who comprised the team. The team as a whole was not his, and due to recent comments I'm not sure he's come to that realization yet. I think that is part of the reason why he still sounds bitter about the whole ordeal, and I think he'll remain bitter about it until that thought subsides. Then, and only then, will he come back and embrace the franchise that helped make him a HOF quarterback.

That's what I think anyway.

I would hope the ARod feels this is HIS team too! Great leaders take ownership. If Brett didn't feel that it was his team, he would never have had sucsess. The truly great ones all have huge egos. It's part of what makes them great. I loved ARod's talk of "getting on board now" last summer. Arrogent? Sure. But that is what a leader should do! And that's what Brett's attitude was. "I'm the best, and this is MY team".

[KYPack]

That whole Mississippi bunch is headstrong and stubborn. Including Deanna.

Wow. Well, its not a battle they are going to win in WI, if they care about public opinion.

Geez, he got a trade to a team that played better than the Packers this year. That talk of "Just let him play" was a false accusation. Favre sounded happy to play for the Jets, and he made the best of it.

I have not heard a SINGLE issue from the Favre clan that implicates TT in any sort of dirty dealing. If he made false comments to the public, name them specificially. There are only vague suggestions. If TT did something unethical, why the secrecy?

HH, I ain't kidding around. They've said some stuff publically, but the whole Favre clan hates TT's guts. I kid thee not.

Here's an article from PG in the summer....

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Mike Vandermause
Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette

July 5, 2008

Brett Favre’s desire to return to the NFL has produced a new round of criticism directed at Green Bay Packers General Manager Ted Thompson.

The latest heat is coming from Favre family members and friends, who are suggesting the quarterback’s retirement in March was not only welcomed, but encouraged.

“He has felt like that for the last couple of years, that the Packers didn’t really want him back,” his mother, Bonita Favre, told Milwaukee TV station WITI after it was reported Wednesday that Favre was getting the itch to play again. “But nothing has been said. You know it has just been bits and pieces throughout the last couple of years, things that would come up, and it just didn’t seem like they went out of their way to keep him. It was kind of like, ‘You’re done.’”

Biloxi Sun Herald reporter Al Jones, a self-described friend of Favre’s, added fuel to the fire in an interview on Milwaukee’s WTMJ radio when he said Favre was forced into retirement by Thompson.

“It all comes down to Ted Thompson,” Jones said. “The main thing is the man has shown no respect to perhaps the greatest quarterback in their franchise history. Brett’s a little disappointed. He feels like he can still play. He knows he can still play.”

Jones added that Favre has been working out, throwing passes every morning and doesn’t want to play for any team other than the Packers.

“When it’s all said and done, Ted Thompson is the man to blame on all this,” Jones said.

Thompson has been unavailable for comment since the latest Favre news broke. But in an interview before he left on vacation, I asked Thompson to respond to the perception the Packers organization didn’t do enough to talk Favre out of retiring.

“I never understood that, quite frankly,” Thompson said. “We went about this offseason the way we have the last several, making sure Brett knew that Mike (McCarthy) and I both felt he’s still a good player, can still play the game, can still win and that our team was going to be in a position to win. I think that’s what a veteran looks for: Do we have a chance to win? And can I still play?

“Other than that, it’s not my place to try to convince someone that they’re making a bad decision or a good decision. It’s my place to say, these are the facts as I see them, now it’s up to you and Deanna to make your choice.”

That suggests Thompson would have welcomed Favre back. Thus, it’s puzzling that Bonita Favre and Jones are so critical of the Packers’ general manager.

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Jones is a local Miss. reporter and buddy buddy with all the Favre's.

I have a "small in" with locals who are active in the Breast Cancer Charities. Deanna, Bonita, and Scott are privately livid about TT and the Packers treatment of BF.

Like I said, there's big time bad blood there.

[Fritz]

[quote="cpk1994"]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

If Brett has sent in his retirement papers to the NFL offices then he is done. Frankly, I'm relieved. There has been enough drama with this situation to last us a lifetime.

The papers mean nothing other than kick starting his retirement benefits. He can still comeback if he wants. That said, Roger Goodell may not be as quick to sign off on reinstatement if Brett pulls the same stunts.[/quote]

I disagree here. Goodell is in the business of promoting the NFL's interests, and it'd be in the NFL's interests to have yet another Favre storyline going. Plus, I can't imagine Goodell would want to be compared to ol' TT by the Favre clan....I think Goody would sign off on any reinstatement Favre might request.

We'll see how it goes.

[mission]

That whole Mississippi bunch is headstrong and stubborn. Including Deanna.

I've dated enough manipulative bitches to know one when I see one.

I'm not ... uh.. calling Deanna any names ... just sayin...

she puts *a lot* of shit in his head and speculation aside, I guarnatee that's true.

Brett just has to stop being a little kid and realize -- like everyone else in the league -- that business happens. Ignorant seems like such a good word in this case. </brokenrecord>

[sheepshead]

I'm just registering my presence in this thread.

Who knows, he might retire and this will be the big one. I can sell ad space to JSO or something.

Other than that, I hope we mend things with him from an organizational standpoint. And contrary to popular belief (or not), that's gonna have much more to do with Brett's attitude than anyone else's (TT for example).

I want to think it's 50/50, but comments from Favre like how Ted was trying to take his team away from him cause me to believe that it just might have a bit more to do with Favre than Thompson. It smacks of ego and a sense of entitlement on Favre's part, and until he gets over the fact that the Packers are not nor ever were HIS team I'm not sure bridges can be rebuilt.

Favre was a great quarterback, and will be remembered as such no matter what happens. He took this team to heights unrealized in 25 years prior to his arrival in Green Bay. He helped to restore respect to a franchise that had turned into the Siberia of the NFL. But he did all of that as a quarterback, just one of 53 players who comprised the team. The team as a whole was not his, and due to recent comments I'm not sure he's come to that realization yet. I think that is part of the reason why he still sounds bitter about the whole ordeal, and I think he'll remain bitter about it until that thought subsides. Then, and only then, will he come back and embrace the franchise that helped make him a HOF quarterback.

That's what I think anyway.

I would hope the ARod feels this is HIS team too! Great leaders take ownership. If Brett didn't feel that it was his team, he would never have had sucsess. The truly great ones all have huge egos. It's part of what makes them great. I loved ARod's talk of "getting on board now" last summer. Arrogent? Sure. But that is what a leader should do! And that's what Brett's attitude was. "I'm the best, and this is MY team".

That "his" team, "my team" ----like Kobe and Shak. It's a bunch of crap and if I was coach, theres no way any of my players would be allowed to utter such bullsh1t. The first I heard this crap from was the Lakers and I cant stand Phil Jackson. Sorry, Arod is one of at least 22 guys (more with special teams) - I hope I never hear that crap out of his mouth.


I'll add, I dont think ARod is this much of a punk. The way he has handled himself thus far, I dont see him conducting himself this way.

[mission]

I'm just registering my presence in this thread.

Who knows, he might retire and this will be the big one. I can sell ad space to JSO or something.

Other than that, I hope we mend things with him from an organizational standpoint. And contrary to popular belief (or not), that's gonna have much more to do with Brett's attitude than anyone else's (TT for example).

I want to think it's 50/50, but comments from Favre like how Ted was trying to take his team away from him cause me to believe that it just might have a bit more to do with Favre than Thompson. It smacks of ego and a sense of entitlement on Favre's part, and until he gets over the fact that the Packers are not nor ever were HIS team I'm not sure bridges can be rebuilt.

Favre was a great quarterback, and will be remembered as such no matter what happens. He took this team to heights unrealized in 25 years prior to his arrival in Green Bay. He helped to restore respect to a franchise that had turned into the Siberia of the NFL. But he did all of that as a quarterback, just one of 53 players who comprised the team. The team as a whole was not his, and due to recent comments I'm not sure he's come to that realization yet. I think that is part of the reason why he still sounds bitter about the whole ordeal, and I think he'll remain bitter about it until that thought subsides. Then, and only then, will he come back and embrace the franchise that helped make him a HOF quarterback.

That's what I think anyway.

I would hope the ARod feels this is HIS team too! Great leaders take ownership. If Brett didn't feel that it was his team, he would never have had sucsess. The truly great ones all have huge egos. It's part of what makes them great. I loved ARod's talk of "getting on board now" last summer. Arrogent? Sure. But that is what a leader should do! And that's what Brett's attitude was. "I'm the best, and this is MY team".

That "his" team, my team like Kobe and SHak. It's a bunch of crap and if I was coach, theres no way any of my players would be allowed to utter such bullsh1t. The first I heard this crap from was the Lakers and I cant stand Phil Jackson. Sorry, Arod is one of at least 22 guys (more with special teams) - I hope I never hear that crap out of his mouth.

I think sometimes this is kind of taken out of context.

I QB'd for a state power that passed 12-20 times a game and had a 2500+ yard 40 tds rusher with a ridiculously dominant defense. I was hardly the reason for winning and my coach used to tare into me sometimes just to make an example.

But behind closed doors, there are a lot of talks from the coach to the "leader" of the team about how it's his/my team and their attitude towards growth and discipline will reflect (mine). I was hardly the best conditioned guy on my team but I HAD to finish in the top 4 during sidelines (50 yards x 4 down backs) or I got reamed.

"It's your team Tony, lets go!" before headin out the locker room or something... or I'd get blamed for one of my guys fucking up cuz maybe there was something I maybe could have done to prevent it. Gotta be accountable.

Sometimes this private conversation/pact between coach/QB slips outside of that realm but he's continuously brainwashed that it's "his" team and taught to translate not just on the field but in everything you do around your teammates.

I dont think Brett looked at it like that though. I think he looked at it like "I AM the Green Bay Packers". I MAKE this team.

And that's the difference.

[cpk1994]

[quote="Fritz"]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

If Brett has sent in his retirement papers to the NFL offices then he is done. Frankly, I'm relieved. There has been enough drama with this situation to last us a lifetime.

The papers mean nothing other than kick starting his retirement benefits. He can still comeback if he wants. That said, Roger Goodell may not be as quick to sign off on reinstatement if Brett pulls the same stunts.[/quote]

I disagree here. Goodell is in the business of promoting the NFL's interests, and it'd be in the NFL's interests to have yet another Favre storyline going. Plus, I can't imagine Goodell would want to be compared to ol' TT by the Favre clan....I think Goody would sign off on any reinstatement Favre might request.

We'll see how it goes.

But Goodell cannot let players overrun him. If he continues to let Favre like antics continue, more players will do it. At some point he needs to hold his ground and say, "If you aren't going to act in a responsible and professional manner, I'm not going to reinstate you, no matter who you are." Also if the NFl needs Favre to play one more year, then they have deeper issues they need to address.

[Pugger]

If Brett tries to get back in the game again this summer most of the country will think he is a fool. Brett can't keep crying wolf here. He'll be a laughing stock for sure. I love what Jay Leno said last night: "Brett Favre retires more often than Cher"!!!!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So.....


What if Rodgers goes down for the year in week 7 and were 5-2???


(Que Jeopardy music)

Call up Brett.

I say Brett stays in shape till Halloween or so.

Stays in shape? To stay in shape you have to be in shape. Maybe you missed that gut he had all season long.

NOT TRUE! no gut...

I guess he was hiding a box of krispy kremes under his jersey for his linemen. My bad.

[Fritz]

[quote="cpk1994"]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

If Brett has sent in his retirement papers to the NFL offices then he is done. Frankly, I'm relieved. There has been enough drama with this situation to last us a lifetime.

The papers mean nothing other than kick starting his retirement benefits. He can still comeback if he wants. That said, Roger Goodell may not be as quick to sign off on reinstatement if Brett pulls the same stunts.[/quote]

I disagree here. Goodell is in the business of promoting the NFL's interests, and it'd be in the NFL's interests to have yet another Favre storyline going. Plus, I can't imagine Goodell would want to be compared to ol' TT by the Favre clan....I think Goody would sign off on any reinstatement Favre might request.

We'll see how it goes.

But Goodell cannot let players overrun him. If he continues to let Favre like antics continue, more players will do it. At some point he needs to hold his ground and say, "If you aren't going to act in a responsible and professional manner, I'm not going to reinstate you, no matter who you are." Also if the NFl needs Favre to play one more year, then they have deeper issues they need to address.

I agree in principle, but I think Goodell has enough other stooges to make examples of. Favre still has some gloss left, and it'd make Goodell look needlessly bad. I feel pretty certain Goodell would reinstate him.