Favre plans to retire!

[Noodle]

I'm a little surprised that people are cracking on Favre for his attitude. Honestly, how would you be if you'd had an entire state, and millions around the country, in addition to the national media, telling you that you walked on water?

Think it might affect your thought process?

I'm one who thinks Favre was a top 10 QB all time, but not top 5, and I'm no apologist for the guy. But I think it's absurd for people to expect him to act like a "normal" guy when he's spent the last 15 years getting pubically fellated by ESPN, Madden, and everyone else.

And those saying he's a POS -- how the frigg do you know? To my knowledge, GBRulz is probably the only one on this board who has had more than a casual "hey Brett" encounter with the guy.

Let him take his time. He'll get his number retired here. But don't expect him to be some aw' shucks, I'm just glad I had a chance to play kind of dude when he has been worshipped as nothing less than a god for over a decade.

[Gunakor]

I'm just registering my presence in this thread.

Who knows, he might retire and this will be the big one. I can sell ad space to JSO or something.

Other than that, I hope we mend things with him from an organizational standpoint. And contrary to popular belief (or not), that's gonna have much more to do with Brett's attitude than anyone else's (TT for example).

I want to think it's 50/50, but comments from Favre like how Ted was trying to take his team away from him cause me to believe that it just might have a bit more to do with Favre than Thompson. It smacks of ego and a sense of entitlement on Favre's part, and until he gets over the fact that the Packers are not nor ever were HIS team I'm not sure bridges can be rebuilt.

Favre was a great quarterback, and will be remembered as such no matter what happens. He took this team to heights unrealized in 25 years prior to his arrival in Green Bay. He helped to restore respect to a franchise that had turned into the Siberia of the NFL. But he did all of that as a quarterback, just one of 53 players who comprised the team. The team as a whole was not his, and due to recent comments I'm not sure he's come to that realization yet. I think that is part of the reason why he still sounds bitter about the whole ordeal, and I think he'll remain bitter about it until that thought subsides. Then, and only then, will he come back and embrace the franchise that helped make him a HOF quarterback.

That's what I think anyway.

I would hope the ARod feels this is HIS team too! Great leaders take ownership. If Brett didn't feel that it was his team, he would never have had sucsess. The truly great ones all have huge egos. It's part of what makes them great. I loved ARod's talk of "getting on board now" last summer. Arrogent? Sure. But that is what a leader should do! And that's what Brett's attitude was. "I'm the best, and this is MY team".

That's not what I meant, and it's not what he meant. Favre was THE leader of this team ON THE FIELD. It was his team at practice, it was his team during the games. But during the offseason, during GM/Front Office time, it's not Favre's team. Favre insinuated that, because TT wouldn't make the personnel and coaching decisions he wanted, that TT was taking his team away from him. Favre has no reason to think it was his team in the sense that he could decide the roster, decide the coaching staff, etc. What Favre was talking about had little to do with what transpired on the football field, which is all Favre should have concerned himself with in the first place.

[Gunakor]

I think sometimes this is kind of taken out of context.

I QB'd for a state power that passed 12-20 times a game and had a 2500+ yard 40 tds rusher with a ridiculously dominant defense. I was hardly the reason for winning and my coach used to tare into me sometimes just to make an example.

But behind closed doors, there are a lot of talks from the coach to the "leader" of the team about how it's his/my team and their attitude towards growth and discipline will reflect (mine). I was hardly the best conditioned guy on my team but I HAD to finish in the top 4 during sidelines (50 yards x 4 down backs) or I got reamed.

"It's your team Tony, lets go!" before headin out the locker room or something... or I'd get blamed for one of my guys fucking up cuz maybe there was something I maybe could have done to prevent it. Gotta be accountable.

Sometimes this private conversation/pact between coach/QB slips outside of that realm but he's continuously brainwashed that it's "his" team and taught to translate not just on the field but in everything you do around your teammates.

I dont think Brett looked at it like that though. I think he looked at it like "I AM the Green Bay Packers". I MAKE this team.

And that's the difference.

His beef was with Randy Moss not coming to town - a roster decision that was not his to make. His beef was that Mooch wasn't hired as HC - a coaching decision that was not his to make.

When someone tells Favre on the way out of the tunnel "Let's go Brett, this is YOUR team, let's get this done, etc..." at that point it IS his team. ON THE FIELD. But not behind closed doors in the front office during the offseason. It most certainly isn't his team then.

[cpk1994]

[quote="Fritz"]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

If Brett has sent in his retirement papers to the NFL offices then he is done. Frankly, I'm relieved. There has been enough drama with this situation to last us a lifetime.

The papers mean nothing other than kick starting his retirement benefits. He can still comeback if he wants. That said, Roger Goodell may not be as quick to sign off on reinstatement if Brett pulls the same stunts.[/quote]

I disagree here. Goodell is in the business of promoting the NFL's interests, and it'd be in the NFL's interests to have yet another Favre storyline going. Plus, I can't imagine Goodell would want to be compared to ol' TT by the Favre clan....I think Goody would sign off on any reinstatement Favre might request.

We'll see how it goes.

But Goodell cannot let players overrun him. If he continues to let Favre like antics continue, more players will do it. At some point he needs to hold his ground and say, "If you aren't going to act in a responsible and professional manner, I'm not going to reinstate you, no matter who you are." Also if the NFl needs Favre to play one more year, then they have deeper issues they need to address.

I agree in principle, but I think Goodell has enough other stooges to make examples of. Favre still has some gloss left, and it'd make Goodell look needlessly bad. I feel pretty certain Goodell would reinstate him.

I disagree that it would make Goodell look needlessly bad. If Favre pulls these atncis again, whatever support he had will be gone. Goodell would actually look bad reinstating him becuase he will be going against the majority opinion.

[Fritz]

[quote="cpk1994"]

I too think there is only bitterness and that is with Brett. It will have to be Brett who lets by gones be by gones before he comes back to Lambeau for that # retirement ceremony originally planned for last September. Then and only then will the divide among Packer Nation (we fans) over this mess be reconciled.

If Brett has sent in his retirement papers to the NFL offices then he is done. Frankly, I'm relieved. There has been enough drama with this situation to last us a lifetime.

The papers mean nothing other than kick starting his retirement benefits. He can still comeback if he wants. That said, Roger Goodell may not be as quick to sign off on reinstatement if Brett pulls the same stunts.[/quote]

I disagree here. Goodell is in the business of promoting the NFL's interests, and it'd be in the NFL's interests to have yet another Favre storyline going. Plus, I can't imagine Goodell would want to be compared to ol' TT by the Favre clan....I think Goody would sign off on any reinstatement Favre might request.

We'll see how it goes.

But Goodell cannot let players overrun him. If he continues to let Favre like antics continue, more players will do it. At some point he needs to hold his ground and say, "If you aren't going to act in a responsible and professional manner, I'm not going to reinstate you, no matter who you are." Also if the NFl needs Favre to play one more year, then they have deeper issues they need to address.

I agree in principle, but I think Goodell has enough other stooges to make examples of. Favre still has some gloss left, and it'd make Goodell look needlessly bad. I feel pretty certain Goodell would reinstate him.

I disagree that it would make Goodell look needlessly bad. If Favre pulls these atncis again, whatever support he had will be gone. Goodell would actually look bad reinstating him becuase he will be going against the majority opinion.

I dunno, CP. I think over the last five years or maybe more the NFL has become a story-based league, as opposed to a strictly sports league. Announceres spend half the damn game talking stupid B>S. instead of analyzing the game. And I think the Favre story is a compelling one, if he should decide to unretire. Everyone will watch every move. There are so many story lines - will the Jets release him if he wants to unretire, or will they cut half their team to accommodate his salary? If he's released, will he sign up for the hated Purple team in order to eff over Ted Thompson? And how will he play if he does? Me, I'd watch, the same way I can't help but look when I drive by a car wreck...

[Harlan Huckleby]

"I think this was a very personal sense of animosity he felt toward one person in the Green Bay organization, and that was Green Bay GM Ted Thompson," Werder said.

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

[KYPack]

"I think this was a very personal sense of animosity he felt toward one person in the Green Bay organization, and that was Green Bay GM Ted Thompson," Werder said.

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

That's the deal, HH

Favre is super-pissed at TT and has made this whole deal real personal.

Quote on

"Mortensen said the bad feelings Favre has for Thompson will take some time to heal.

"I think it will take three to five years for this relationship to be repaired," Mortensen told ESPNews.

In the telephone press conference held late Wednesday afternoon, Favre said he had not given thought to when he will feel good enough about his relationship with the Packers' front office to participate in a jersey retirement ceremony.

"I don't have an answer for that," Favre said. "It may be five years. It may be, you know, the first game (of 2009). I don't know."

Favre was asked if his retirement ceremony would have to wait until after Thompson left the organization.

"I don't know," Favre said.

Quote off.

Like I said before, there's a lot of real bad blood and it will take a lot of time to heal the thing up. Brett loves GB, loves the fans and his friends up there, but Thompson? There's some serious hate goin' on there.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Man, I've had FAR bigger assholes than Ted Thompson for bosses, and I don't hate them anymore. I laugh with them when I run into them.

TT is at worst cold and business-like. Could Favre REALLY be mad over the drafting of ARod? That reporter interviewed Favre extensively, it's a hell of a statement to make if its not true.

I hope time heals this wound.

[mraynrand]

Could Favre REALLY be mad over the drafting of ARod? .

Exactly. Boo fucking Hoo. Favre was on the verge of retiring for years running and you have to bring along the next guy. Plus, a guy who was originally slated for a top 5-10 pick slipped way down into your lap. Thompson looks like a genius now for that pick. I think Mission has Favre pegged exactly. Favre jumped the shark from being the leader of the team to being the purpose for the team. But he didn't do it on his own - he had TONS of help from the media. Think back to all those sickening MNF games where all they talk about is Favre - pregame, game, postgame, favre Favre, FAVRE!!! If I were a fan of the other team, I'd be puking my guts out. NAUSEATING!

[KYPack]

That whole Mississippi bunch is headstrong and stubborn. Including Deanna.

I've dated enough manipulative bitches to know one when I see one.

I'm not ... uh.. calling Deanna any names ... just sayin...

she puts *a lot* of shit in his head and speculation aside, I guarnatee that's true.

Brett just has to stop being a little kid and realize -- like everyone else in the league -- that business happens. Ignorant seems like such a good word in this case. </brokenrecord>

I know what you mean, Mission.

Deanna isn't the "iron maiden" in this whole deal. She's more like the mama bear protecting her cubs. That's her role and Bonita is very similar. Scott probably does as much "stirring up" as anybody in the world. Him and Brett kind of feed off each other and the whole tribe gets into a feeding frenzy. Scott and Brett were livid about TT drafting ARod and some of the other issues. Scott gets just as pissed as Brett and is pretty vocal about his problems with things.

I've heard a ton of this talk for a long time and I kind of felt it must not be as bad as I heard bc very little of it made the main stream media.

Now it's starting, but I think it will dissipate because it makes Brett looks bad in the long run.

There are big time issues with the Favre clan and TT.

That pic somebody ran of Deanna, TT, and MM at Brett's first retirement presser kind of told it all.
TT was freaked.
MM bored and distant, dicking with his cell phone.
Deanna? 199% pissed.

[cpk1994]

"I think this was a very personal sense of animosity he felt toward one person in the Green Bay organization, and that was Green Bay GM Ted Thompson," Werder said.

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

This is BS journalism at its finest by Werder. He writes that like TT intnded to draft a QB in the first round all along, seemingly ignoring the fact ARod fell to him. No journalistic ingtergrity there. I can see why ESPN hired this idiot.

[Iron Mike]

ESPN poll this morning stated that 27% of those polled believe Ole #4 will come back next year.

[KYPack]

ESPN poll this morning stated that 27% of those polled believe Ole #4 will come back next year.

If he does....

Vikes
Bears
or Lions.

All 3 could use him and he gets to stick it to TT.

[Iron Mike]

ESPN poll this morning stated that 27% of those polled believe Ole #4 will come back next year.

If he does....

Vikes
Bears
or Lions.

All 3 could use him and he gets to stick it to TT.

He probably SHOULD go the Da Bears.....he already owns all of the passing records in Soldier Field. :P

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

ESPN poll this morning stated that 27% of those polled believe Ole #4 will come back next year.

If he does....

Vikes
Bears
or Lions.

All 3 could use him and he gets to stick it to TT.

He probably SHOULD go the Da Bears.....he already owns all of the passing records in Soldier Field. :P

Should of saved that for when one of those bears fans comes over here talking shit.