Favre plans to retire!

[Bossman641]

"I think this was a very personal sense of animosity he felt toward one person in the Green Bay organization, and that was Green Bay GM Ted Thompson," Werder said.

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

How is it that Favre has the fragile psyche equal to that of a 15 year old girl who thinks she is overweight and won't get a date to homecoming??

Good god man, grow up already. Who woulda known Favre has to be treated with kid gloves??

[Lurker64]

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

No, his first move when he took over the management of the franchise was to get under the cap by getting rid of Wahle, Rivera, Sharper, and Diggs. Free Agency and roster moves like this generally take place before the draft.

Jeez.

[Bossman641]

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

No, his first move when he took over the management of the franchise was to get under the cap by getting rid of Wahle, Rivera, Shaper, and Diggs. Free Agency and roster moves like this generally take place before the draft.

Jeez.

I guess his first move should have been to bow down and kiss Brett's left nut.

[MadtownPacker]

I took out the JSO link on all the FUCKING POST because it is Werder's words not JSO content so the next MFer that quotes anything JSO, well you know whats up.

[cpk1994]

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

No, his first move when he took over the management of the franchise was to get under the cap by getting rid of Wahle, Rivera, Shaper, and Diggs. Free Agency and roster moves like this generally take place before the draft.

Jeez.

Absolutely. But ESPN would never say that becuase that doesn't make Favre look like he was oppressed by big bad TT.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I took out the JSO link on all the FUCKING POST because it is Werder's words not JSO content so the next MFer that quotes anything JSO, well you know whats up.

I thought JSO wanted links to their site, that's why I put the link in.

BTW, it is ALWAYS legal to quote short passages from copyrighted works, and then cite the source. This is principle of "fair use." Otherwise we would live in a bottled-up, anal society, couldn't even discuss a passage from a book in a book review, for instance. Or quote some lines from a song.

I'm not arguing with you. Just not up on the state of this silly situation with JSO.

[mission]

That whole Mississippi bunch is headstrong and stubborn. Including Deanna.

I've dated enough manipulative bitches to know one when I see one.

I'm not ... uh.. calling Deanna any names ... just sayin...

she puts *a lot* of shit in his head and speculation aside, I guarnatee that's true.

Brett just has to stop being a little kid and realize -- like everyone else in the league -- that business happens. Ignorant seems like such a good word in this case. </brokenrecord>

I know what you mean, Mission.

Deanna isn't the "iron maiden" in this whole deal. She's more like the mama bear protecting her cubs. That's her role and Bonita is very similar. Scott probably does as much "stirring up" as anybody in the world. Him and Brett kind of feed off each other and the whole tribe gets into a feeding frenzy. Scott and Brett were livid about TT drafting ARod and some of the other issues. Scott gets just as pissed as Brett and is pretty vocal about his problems with things.

I've heard a ton of this talk for a long time and I kind of felt it must not be as bad as I heard bc very little of it made the main stream media.

Now it's starting, but I think it will dissipate because it makes Brett looks bad in the long run.

There are big time issues with the Favre clan and TT.

That pic somebody ran of Deanna, TT, and MM at Brett's first retirement presser kind of told it all.
TT was freaked.
MM bored and distant, dicking with his cell phone.
Deanna? 199% pissed.

Yeah that picture is the 70% the reason for me having that (very unfounded) opinion.

Who is Scott in this case? I kept reading it as "Scott Boras" for whatever reason, but that's not his agent is it? Just had a post-lunch smoke so I cant seem to think of the rebel-rouser's name. Sum'n Bus?

[Fritz]

That'd be Brett's brother, I beleve. And if they really were pissed at TT for drafting Rodgers, who was clearly the BPA at that point (for a team that had no long term plan for post-Favre), then that doesn't say much for them.

By the 2004 season Favre was already making noises about retiring. So, if it was okay for him to plan for his retirment but not for the Pack, well, that isn't saying much for him and his family.

[Patler]

To put the drafting of Rodgers in context:

Sherman was looking for a replacement for two years, 2003 and 2004. In 2003 he brought Wolf in as a consultant to evaluate the QBs in the draft class. They openly talked to the press about the need to bring in an eventual replacement for Favre. From one article about why Sherman brought Wolf in before the draft:

Sherman has made it a priority this off-season to acquire a young quarterback in order to prepare for Favre's eventual retirement. The 33-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback spoke often of retirement during the past season, but announced he would be back in 2003.

Beyond that, however, no one knows for sure how long he'll stick around.

In 2004 Sherman admitted interest in a QB in the first round, and it was widely believed he had his eyes on Losman, but Buffalo made a trade to get ahead of the Packers.

At the end of the 2004 season, Favre implied he was seriously considering retirement. In the 2005 off season, Driver said he was "sure" that Favre would retire. Favre waited until March to announce that he would return. TT drafted Rodgers in April.

Sherman was actively looking for Favre's replacement for two years, because Favre had given them every reason to believe that he might be only a year or two away from retirement as far back as 2002. By 2005, it would have been irresponsible not to have a suitable young candidate on hand, especially when one falls to you in the first round.

Just another indication of how Favre's procrastination affected the team and hurt him. Had he been more positive about wanting to play as long as he could; Sherman wouldn't have been so anxious as far back as 2003 to draft a replacement. TT might have rolled the dice on Favre's longevity and durability, drafted someone else in 2005 (Logan Mankins maybe??). Maybe he still would have taken Rodgers, but maybe not. In 2006 he could have gone with Cutler at #5, or Leinart maybe. Had he waited until 2007, he could have taken Quinn.

But, with Favre very openly discussing retirement, it was urgent as far back as the 2003 draft to look for an eventual replacement and consider using a high draft choice for one. It took until 2005 to get a chance for a good prospect, and TT rightfully jumped at it.

[Pugger]

I just marvel at the immaturity of Favre if indeed he got pissed at TT for drafting Rodgers. Is he that insecure that he felt threatened by AR and felt slighted because TT and MM weren't calling him daily begging for him to come back? Good lord....

[KYPack]

Yeah, Scott is Scott Favre, Mission. Bus Cook is Brett's agent.

That got lost in the quotes, I think.

This was in the GBPG this AM...

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Favre’s dispute with the Packers appears to be almost exclusively with Thompson, so there’s at least the possibility he’ll wait until Thompson no longer is with the team before he agrees to attend a ceremony to retire his number. Thompson, 56, is beginning his fifth season as Packers GM.

“I don’t know,” Favre said when asked if he’d wait for Thompson’s departure before having his number retired. “He had his reasoning, I had my reasoning. Who’s to say who’s right or who’s wrong? He has a plan, and I’m not mad at him for that, but other people may be.

“I don’t know. It’s a touchy situation. I know my stay in Green Bay was unbelievable, unbelievable, and nothing can take that away, not one person in that organization who’s been outstanding to me throughout that career. So it is what it is. It’s unfortunate, but at some point it will be dealt with.”

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The "other people" mentioned is Brett's family and crew.

Not to be a broken record, but this will take ahwile.

I think it will all lessen when BF hasn't played for a season or so.

That whole bunch still has the old competitive fires burning.

[cpk1994]

Yeah, Scott is Scott Favre, Mission.

That got lost in the quotes, I think.

This was in the GBPG this AM...

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Favre’s dispute with the Packers appears to be almost exclusively with Thompson, so there’s at least the possibility he’ll wait until Thompson no longer is with the team before he agrees to attend a ceremony to retire his number. Thompson, 56, is beginning his fifth season as Packers GM.

“I don’t know,” Favre said when asked if he’d wait for Thompson’s departure before having his number retired. “He had his reasoning, I had my reasoning. Who’s to say who’s right or who’s wrong? He has a plan, and I’m not mad at him for that, but other people may be.

“I don’t know. It’s a touchy situation. I know my stay in Green Bay was unbelievable, unbelievable, and nothing can take that away, not one person in that organization who’s been outstanding to me throughout that career. So it is what it is. It’s unfortunate, but at some point it will be dealt with.”

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The "other people" mentioned is Brett's family and crew.

Not to be a broken record, but this will take ahwile.

I think it will all lessen when BF hasn't played for a season or so.

That whole bunch still has the old competitive fires burning.

You gotta think that if Irv was still alive, none of this garbage would have happened as Irv would have slapped Brett around the first time he acted like a child.

[KYPack]

You gotta think that if Irv was still alive, none of this garbage would have happened as Irv would have slapped Brett around the first time he acted like a child.

Yeah, 100%.

Irv kept the "Favre Clan" in line. Irv was of the old, old school...."The coach is boss, get your ass out there and do your job" type stuff.

Brett's inner circle is VERY protective of Brett. They have to be. But Irv thought like a lot of these fans that think Brett is a Prima Donna think.
When Irv was pissed about a Packer Management move, Brett knew he had a legit beef. Also, when Irv was around, Scott, Jeff, Deanna, etc kept their traps shut less the wrath of Irv descend upon 'em.

When Irv was gone, some of the littler rats came out to play. Bonita is a great woman. But she would have never said 10% of what she has said if Irv was still with us.

It's natural really. I really believe all this dies down when Brett settles into retirement. The whole bunch is still all fired up. That will subside and Brett will wander North and see his fans at some point.

[Packers4Ever]

Packers Statement.

It's cool, we're not making any money off the words herein:

Congratulations to Brett on a remarkable career. The Packers organization wishes him and his family well. Brett always will hold a special place in Green Bay Packers history, and we remain committed to retiring his number at an appropriate time in the future.

It won't happen as long as TT is around.

BLF has it out for that boy.

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Agree with all you say, KY - but TT just about has to have a retirement date

ready for the 2009 season, don't you think? I dread it already.

[cpk1994]

Packers Statement.

It's cool, we're not making any money off the words herein:

Congratulations to Brett on a remarkable career. The Packers organization wishes him and his family well. Brett always will hold a special place in Green Bay Packers history, and we remain committed to retiring his number at an appropriate time in the future.

It won't happen as long as TT is around.

BLF has it out for that boy.

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Agree with all you say, KY - but TT just about has to have a retirement date

ready for the 2009 season, don't you think? I dread it already.

Brett's jersey retirement wouldn't be in TT's hands. Mark Murphy would take care of that.