2009 free agent thread

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Jarrett Bush is a really solid 5th safety/5th corner. Don't know why he is so hated.

Dude is a special teams stud dynamo

Maybe 2 years ago. He was terrible on ST's this year, all he did was commit blocks in the back and other penalties.

I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion. One could argue the entire unit under-performed this year.

You're entitled to your opinion as well but when it comes down to facts like penalties and boneheaded plays, the books don't lie.

It's possible to say, "yeah, despite all of that, play X and play Y, more than made up for those mistakes".

But I just don't remember play X and play Y

[Partial]

But we haven't seen any stats

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But we haven't seen any stats

I don't have the super sources like Patler and Waldo but if you saw the games last year, he did enough "things" (penalties) that would be recorded somewhere to at least require play X and play Y as a counter ... and if someone cares enough about J.Bush to find those stats, have you prepared your X / Y ... you're a lot more creative than I if so

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Nah, I don't care either way, but I think he's a pretty good special teams player. He's athletic, instinctive and unafraid of contract. Just lacks the ball skills to cover well.

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Nah, I don't care either way, but I think he's a pretty good special teams player. He's athletic, instinctive and unafraid of contract. Just lacks the ball skills to cover well.

I'm not a super Bush hater either tbh... he just pissed me off a few times last year so I'm indifferent.

Kind of like my Poppinga agenda...

[vince]

It seems to me that you have more differing roles between SS and FS now with the new D than we had previously, which makes the safeties a bit less interchangeable.

Bigby and Rouse would be more SS types who can excel closer to the line of scrimmage. Neither would seem to excel in defining coverages or as the last line of defense that the FS position requires more of.

Mike Adams is/would be a far better free safety in the new 3-4, then Bush or Peprah would ever hope to be. His skils and experience would be a nice (and needed) depth addition to protect against the event of injury to Collins.

[packrulz]

I haven't ruled out Grady Jackson yet, he's 38, and he tried to sue the Falcons, but if TT signed him cheap to a one or 2 year deal he can still clog the middle. I'm not convinced TT is going to draft Raji at 9.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Nah, I don't care either way, but I think he's a pretty good special teams player. He's athletic, instinctive and unafraid of contract. Just lacks the ball skills to cover well.

I'm not a super Bush hater either tbh... he just pissed me off a few times last year so I'm indifferent.

Kind of like my Poppinga agenda...

Ever since Bush couldn't pick up that fumble in the championship game I wanted him gone.

[Pugger]

Grady Jackson?? He's rather long in the tooth so I'd rather have Pickett.

[Waldo]

But we haven't seen any stats

He made 11 tackles last year, 4 on defense, 7 on special teams. He broke up 1 pass on defense. He was flagged 6 times on special teams and was responsible for a ST turnover after being hit by a punt and failing to fall on the ball.

[Patler]

Bush is a guy about whom you have to ask, "How long do we wait?" The coaches have always spoken highly of his potential, his attitude and his effort. Some guys take longer, some never get there. Chris Johnson was also all potential and little performance for years. Who foresaw his 2008 performance coming even as recently as 2007? It took him 5 years to put it together.

Will the same happen with Bush, or will he never get there?

[Waldo]

I look at Adams like this:

In hindsight of the 2008 season, if you could spend 1-1.5M dollars anywhere to have the most drastic effect on the final W-L record (the most bang for the buck), aside from specialist positions, where would it be?

S/ST IMO, a legit backup/low end starter quality guy and ST stud to replace Peprah would have made the biggest difference overall. S problems plagued us all year, as did ST player talent.

[HarveyWallbangers]

S/ST IMO, a legit backup/low end starter quality guy and ST stud to replace Peprah would have made the biggest difference overall. S problems plagued us all year, as did ST player talent.

What? Peprah barely played on defense last year and who really knows how good he was on special teams. He is what he is... deep depth at safety and a special teams player. You are always going to have those types on the roster.

[Waldo]

S/ST IMO, a legit backup/low end starter quality guy and ST stud to replace Peprah would have made the biggest difference overall. S problems plagued us all year, as did ST player talent.

What? Peprah barely played on defense last year and who really knows how good he was on special teams. He is what he is... deep depth at safety and a special teams player. You are always going to have those types on the roster.

We were playing Wood as SS because Peprah was so bad. We were playing Rouse on a high ankle sprain because Peprah was so bad. Bigby was playing hurt because we had no good backups. Peprah is not a good ST player.

There were ample opportunities for an adequate backup to see the field last year, and I think that it would have been a great help if we were able to stick a guy at one position, Rouse played both SS and FS last year, at times in the same game. He's a much better FS than SS, his football instincts aren't very good.

Adams is a SS, but the opposite type than Bigby. Bigby is a box guy that isn't very good at covering, Adams is a cover guy that isn't as good in the box. He's got good football instincts though.

Dude's workout #'s are sick:
4.38 40
3.99 SS
6.85 3C

[packer4life]

grady jackson signed with the lions...

and regarding jarret bush, all i can think of is that play where an unidentified opposing player ran about 20 yards past the point of initial contact as bush tried to hold on for dear life...JUNK HIM