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Originally posted by Partial
And if Hawk was our OLB, wouldn't we just be looking to find an ILB? Or did you mean he could play both ILB and OLB? At the same time.
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How many tackles did Hawk have at the combine? INTs? Sacks? I just need to know so I'll be at peace when I know when he's played up to his combine numbers. I've looked everywhere for his combine stats, but can't seem to find any of these.
And if Hawk was our OLB, wouldn't we just be looking to find an ILB? Or did you mean he could play both ILB and OLB? At the same time."You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial -
Not really. I think Poppinga or Chillar would be better suited inside. Poppinga is much better at getting off of blocks and I have a hunch having a bruiser like Poppinga inside would bode well for us.
If Hawk was as fast, agile and strong as he showed at the combine (he's not - at least last season), we could continue to play outside.
Remember, he was used a fair amount of blitzes and in coverage from the OLB spot. As a versatile athlete, he certainly could handle it, however, he has shown he's not as athletic as we once thought.
One could argue he would be slightly undersized, but then again so is DPOY James Harrison.Comment
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I think you and I agree, but to say most of us is crazy talk. There are a few amount of homers here who think our team is rip-roaring and ready to go.Originally posted by wist43
I think they have virtually no chance of winning the battle on either side of the ball unless they change their offensive philosophy or upgrade at QB, and then they need to add some quality depth at just about every sport on defense.Comment
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Originally posted by Partial
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One of the things that's interesting to me: 2007 and 2008 were very similar years, in that the Packers were in a lot of very close games.
2007
We beat Philly by 3 with a couple of big special teams plays, we beat San Diego with the long Jennings TD, we beat Washington off of the long fumble recovery by Woodson, we beat Denver in OT off of Favre's beautiful deep rainbow, and we trailed in the third quarter to Kansas City and only pulled away after a Woodson INT for a TD followed a Favre TD pass.
2008:
We trailed the Bucs by 2 with 6:00 to go in the game and the ball before turning the ball over and giving up a TD in a game where our QB was injured, we lost to Atlanta by 3 where a late INT setting up a TD sealed the game for the Falcons, We lost to Tennessee in overtime because nobody on defense could stop Chris Johnson, we lost to the Vikings in Minny both because the defense caved and gave up a long TD run to Peterson as time was running down to give up the lead and also because Crosby shanked the game winning FG that Rodgers had put him in position to kick, we lost to the Panthers after taking the lead late on the back of a long pass to Smith and a 1 yard TD run by Hall who was having success all game, we lost to Houston by 3 on a 40 yard FG as time expired, we lost to the Jaguars in a game we lead most of the way by giving up 2 4th quarter TDs and ended up losing by 4, and we lost to Chicago in overtime after Crosby's potential game winning FG was blocked and the Bears won the toss and went down and scored.
The 2007 Packers won a lot of close games and the 2008 Packers lost a lot of close games. The specific reasons why this is are less important, but the fact of the matter is that the last two years the Packers have been in a lot of close games. This leads me to believe that the talent on the roster is there. Whether or not you win close games really comes down in large part to coaching. In 2008, the defensive coaching staff was clearly deficient and a lot of games would have gone the other way for us if the defense had made one or two more plays a game. Hopefully that's been corrected by hiring the new (impressive on paper) defensive staff.
You can't bitch and moan because your roster has some holes in it, every roster has some holes in it. The Steelers have a terrible offensive line, the Cardinals lack an effective running game and have some suspect defense, the Ravens have very little offensive production from anybody, the Eagles lack a running game and have some suspect WRs, the Titans have really no offensive playmakers other than Chris Johnson, the Giants need WRs and their secondary isn't great, the Panthers desperately need a QB and really have only one good WR, the Vikings desperately need a QB and half of their OL is suspect, and looking at their rosters, nobody is really sure how the Dolphins or the Falcons did so well last year. And that's just the playoff teams from last year, the picture is grimmer for some of the teams that missed the playoffs (New England need 3 starting LBs , 2 CBs, and a S on defense, for example).
The mark of good coaching is being able to get the most out of a roster with some weaknesses, but other strengths. We probably had it in 2007, we didn't really have it in 2008. I'm reasonably confident that the defense will be better coached in 2009, but maybe McCarthy is in over his head, who knows?</delurk>Comment
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PR is overrun homers... but if you listen to 1250, or Michaels on 620, or just the talk around the water cooler - not too much love there.Originally posted by Partial
Can't quantify my contention that "most" Packer fans would contend that defense is lacking in talent, especially in the front seven, but at the same time I don't think the homer view that is predominant on PR is reflective of most Packer fans.wistComment
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Hawk injured his chest early in preseason and missed all but one game, he was questionable for the first week of the season. He played his ass off for the first 4 games of the season, but then he tore his groin muscle and had no change of direction or any kind of speed. He played only one good game in the second half of the season against the Bears. His slide also had to do with Cullen Jenkins who is the defensive end in front of him getting hurt for the season as well.Originally posted by Partial
Poppinga certainly doesn't get off blocks better, more likely he charges into them. Poppinga can only handle one responsibility when on the field and most likely it will be to chase down QBs. In the last scheme all the linebackers had way too many reads, and checks. The blitz Package was always slow because it seemed like on the weakside the backer would check the flat or his zone of coverage before going after the QB.Comment
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Nice nipples nutz.Comment
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I don't think it's as simple as we are lacking in talent or not ... there's a lot more that goes into it. Do you think for a minute that if we were a New York franchise, even one of the "lost-out-on" FAs over TT's tenure would be here? There are handicaps involved as well as value and all those are arguable.Originally posted by wist43
The point is, a lot of us here would like more. Who wouldn't? I would have been happy about a Canty pickup and even stated so for 8mil/yr ... but the same people happy about that would be pissed when Jennings/Collins/Colledge got away and it shows a complete lack of understanding.
PR is more of a "well, here's the situation, let's try to make the most of it" and "ok, so what now?". The "majority" as you put it choose to focus on a lot of shit that just isn't relevant anymore ... problem finders. And we need problem finders, keeps people on their toes. But we also need some "solutionists". PR definitely has a lot more threads about potential deals we could do and how things could shake out and this/that. PackerChatters has a lot more people still bitching and whining about the Canty situation.Comment
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Let's also not forget we had one of the lamest blitz packages ever. No movement, no deception. The blitzers might as well as have been holding up signs saying "Here I come" because it was that obvious who was going after the quarterback. Due to injury and scheme, Hawk has at least one more year before I give up on him.Originally posted by PartialGo PACKComment
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I don't think that most fans of any professional sports franchise are really particularly well informed. Having listened to some of these radio shows for several teams (not just the Green Bay ones), I'm almost certain of it. Most fans don't think much beyond "the defense didn't play well last year, therefore we need better players on defense." Which is true insofar as the fact that everybody could use some better players on defense, but misleading insofar as "lack of talent" may not be the only reason the defense struggled. Majority rule by the fans would be probably the quickest way to destroy a franchise, since a whole lot of fans are idiots. I mean, just read the comments on a JSO article...Originally posted by wist43
Afflicted with homerism or not, we do at least tend to attract a crowd of reasonably well-informed fans here.</delurk>Comment
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Well if you think it, it must be true. Forget where their coaches have them. Forget that Poppinga doesn't even know the meaning of getting off blocks. Forget common sense and reality while we're at it too, I guess. If you want to see TEs getting 14 grabs for 150 yards a game, then by all means, put Poppinga in the middle.Originally posted by Partial
Poppinga's a bruiser now? If you mean slow and dumb, then I would agree. The only thing bruised by Poppinga's diving misses and arm tackles was the turf. If you mean he's a hard hitter, you should check your Haldol dosage again.
As far as Chillar goes, he was supposed to be able to play all the LB positions in our last scheme and seemed to have trouble playing any of them. I don't see where that's going to change under Capers' system."You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - PartialComment
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Not in a one-gap 3-4. The ILBs need to be guys who are quick, agile, aggressive, have good awareness, make quick decisions, and are good in coverage. That's Hawk and Barnett.Originally posted by Partial
Poppinga is aggressive, he is not quick or agile, he doesn't have good awareness, and he isn't any good in coverage.
Chillar is good in coverage, he does not have good awareness or make quick decisions, he is not aggressive.
Poppinga has a chance of being able to play outside, but I don't have a lot of hope. Chillar is purely a backup.</delurk>Comment
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I think VALUE pick refers to the amount of money he will command at the pick he was taken with.Originally posted by Fritz
Hence, a guy that many project to go in rounds 2 or 3 would be "value" at 5 or 6. Has nothing to do with skill or ability and everything to do with $$$ cost to bring in and see what you have.Comment
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Originally posted by Partial
Definition of fucktard
fucktard
noun
* Someone who continually does something annoying after being told to stop.
Why does this fucktard keep team killing?
* 1. A serviceperson who at first seem of normal intelligence at a distance, but upon servicing is discovered to be inefficient, incompetent and/or stupid (but not rude) and thus severely irrating to the customer. 2. A person who is difficult to deal with because they act stupid.
I had to deal with a chain of fucktards while running errands.
Your almost there partial.......
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