Igor Olshansky

[Zool]

When the Pack drafted Darrell Thompson in I think the fourth round it was seen as a "value" pick. What the heck did that mean? Guy sucked, from the beginning to the end.

Oh dear lord if only Thompson was a 4th rounder. He was the 19th overall pick in the 1990 draft.

[sheepshead]

TT has stated that he and the coaching staff like the players they have... they're apparently quite happy with Hawk, and Harrell, and Barnett, et al...

If they really like the personnel they have... it explains at least to some extent why TT doesn't see the need to tip his toe in the water.

Most of us, and the media disagree... the defense is really substandard in terms of talent IMO.

I think you and I agree, but to say most of us is crazy talk. There are a few amount of homers here who think our team is rip-roaring and ready to go.

I think they have virtually no chance of winning the battle on either side of the ball unless they change their offensive philosophy or upgrade at QB, and then they need to add some quality depth at just about every sport on defense.

"they" who?

[Partial]

I think they have virtually no chance of winning the battle on either side of the ball unless they change their offensive philosophy or upgrade at QB, and then they need to add some quality depth at just about every sport on defense.

Definition of fucktard
fucktard

noun
* Someone who continually does something annoying after being told to stop.

Why does this fucktard keep team killing?


* 1. A serviceperson who at first seem of normal intelligence at a distance, but upon servicing is discovered to be inefficient, incompetent and/or stupid (but not rude) and thus severely irrating to the customer. 2. A person who is difficult to deal with because they act stupid.

I had to deal with a chain of fucktards while running errands.

Your almost there partial.......

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, but its pretty tough to refute the logic.

With our current offensive philosophy and old defensive philosophy we went 6-10. Now, with our new defensive philosophy, we don't have a single linemen that is an ideal fit for the scheme. Maybe Pickett, but I don't see him as a Kris Jenkins or Jamal Williams type player.

With that said, with the same offense, and a defense with players that don't quite fit, why would one expect improvement?

[Fritz]

The only exception to that "value" word....in my estimation, is the way it's used vis a vis the drdaft. What the hell is a "value" pick? A guy who has a big name but slides a bit is a "value" pick? What does that even mean? Can he play or not?

At the time, no one would've said Donald Driver was a value pick in the seventh round. But in retrospect, he sure was.

When the Pack drafted Darrell Thompson in I think the fourth round it was seen as a "value" pick. What the heck did that mean? Guy sucked, from the beginning to the end.

I think VALUE pick refers to the amount of money he will command at the pick he was taken with.

Ah. thank you, Sparkey.

Hence, a guy that many project to go in rounds 2 or 3 would be "value" at 5 or 6. Has nothing to do with skill or ability and everything to do with $$$ cost to bring in and see what you have.

[Sparkey]

I think they have virtually no chance of winning the battle on either side of the ball unless they change their offensive philosophy or upgrade at QB, and then they need to add some quality depth at just about every sport on defense.

Definition of fucktard
fucktard

noun
* Someone who continually does something annoying after being told to stop.

Why does this fucktard keep team killing?


* 1. A serviceperson who at first seem of normal intelligence at a distance, but upon servicing is discovered to be inefficient, incompetent and/or stupid (but not rude) and thus severely irrating to the customer. 2. A person who is difficult to deal with because they act stupid.

I had to deal with a chain of fucktards while running errands.

Your almost there partial.......

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, but its pretty tough to refute the logic.

With our current offensive philosophy and old defensive philosophy we went 6-10. Now, with our new defensive philosophy, we don't have a single linemen that is an ideal fit for the scheme. Maybe Pickett, but I don't see him as a Kris Jenkins or Jamal Williams type player.

With that said, with the same offense, and a defense with players that don't quite fit, why would one expect improvement?

Are there questions on defense ? Mostly certainly. But the constant direct and indirect attacks on Rodgers vis a vis "the offense" is so old. We get it Partial. You don't like the guy. But to spout off about the offense and qb needing an upgrade ?

Rodgers overall passing ranking = 6th (Pro-Football-Reference.com)
Rodgers overall Fantasy Ranking = 7th (Pro-Football-Reference.com)
Green Bays offense overall ranking = 5th (Pro-Football-Reference.com)

You talk about being objective, but you are not. You have an agenda that involves bashing Rodgers and it kills your credibility.

You don't like Rodgers, fine. But, to make statements about them being unable to win the battle on either side of the ball when they had the #5 offense in the NFL in 2008 and the 6th best QB ranking is absurd and you know it. Does the offense and the qb need to look for improvement in areas? Of course, but your blanket "can't win the battle" statement is ridiculous.

[sheepshead]

Plus, unless you have access to game films Partial, you can't possibly make the statements youre making about guys on defense with any accuracy. You can't see defensive guys away from the ball on TV.

[sheepshead]

I think they have virtually no chance of winning the battle on either side of the ball unless they change their offensive philosophy or upgrade at QB, and then they need to add some quality depth at just about every sport on defense.

Definition of fucktard
fucktard

noun
* Someone who continually does something annoying after being told to stop.

Why does this fucktard keep team killing?


* 1. A serviceperson who at first seem of normal intelligence at a distance, but upon servicing is discovered to be inefficient, incompetent and/or stupid (but not rude) and thus severely irrating to the customer. 2. A person who is difficult to deal with because they act stupid.

I had to deal with a chain of fucktards while running errands.

Your almost there partial.......

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, but its pretty tough to refute the logic.

With our current offensive philosophy and old defensive philosophy we went 6-10. Now, with our new defensive philosophy, we don't have a single linemen that is an ideal fit for the scheme. Maybe Pickett, but I don't see him as a Kris Jenkins or Jamal Williams type player.

With that said, with the same offense, and a defense with players that don't quite fit, why would one expect improvement?

I am referring to your constant bashing of Rodgers. We get it Partial. You don't like the guy. But to spout off about the offense and qb needing an upgrade ?

Rodgers overall passing ranking = 6th (Pro-Football-Reference.com)
Rodgers overall Fantasy Ranking = 7th (Pro-Football-Reference.com)
Green Bays offense overall ranking = 5th (Pro-Football-Reference.com)

You talk about being objective, but you are not. You have an agenda that involves bashing Rodgers and it kills your credibility.

You don't like Rodgers, fine. But, to make statements about them being unable to win the battle on either side of the ball when they had the #5 offense in the NFL in 2008 and the 6th best QB ranking is absurd and you know it.

Careful, youll get threatened by somebody on here for making too much sense.

[Partial]

Plus, unless you have access to game films Partial, you can't possibly make the statements youre making about guys on defense with any accuracy. You can't see defensive guys away from the ball on TV.

It doesn't matter if they're a perfect fit...

We have Cullen Jenkins, historically a walking injury.
We have Justin Harrell, historically a walking injury.
We have Johnny Jolly, had season ending injury his second season (first playing), was not nearly as effective last year, and could face a suspension if convicted.

Thats all the depth we have at DE. Horrendous. Porous. Ouchies.

Now, lets look at Nose Tackle. We have.. Pickett. And.. Nope, just Pickett.

Are you kidding me? It doesn't take a wizard to see that this team is in serious trouble defensively. They have 4 linemen on their roster right now. They need 8-9 when you factor in the injury prone players they're keeping.

That's not even beginning to address the gaping hole at the OLB spot, not to mention in the event that Kampman cannot transition (I'm sure he'll be fine).

This defense is in trouble, and they need some horses. I don't care if they're good players at this point, just capable bodies.

[sheepshead]

[Chevelle2]

We have Cullen Jenkins, historically a walking injury.

You may be an idiot, but don't flat out lie.

2008: 4 games (injured)
2007: 16 games
2006: 14 games
2005: 16 games
2004: 16 games.

[Partial]

We have Cullen Jenkins, historically a walking injury.

You may be an idiot, but don't flat out lie.

2008: 4 games (injured)
2007: 16 games
2006: 14 games
2005: 16 games
2004: 16 games.

In 2007, he played hurt the entire season and coached ripped him for not being at all effective.

In 2006, he was playing injured the entire beginning of the season, and when he was finally healthy enough to play a lot of downs, they put him in the starting lineup.

I don't remember 2005 or 2004, but I'm sure he was injured during those seasons as well.

Injured does not necessarily mean they are missing a game.

[SkinBasket]

Injured does not necessarily mean they are missing a game.

True dat. Partial has obviously injured his brain, and he hasn't missed a day.

[imscott72]

Partial's argument about Arod is tired and stale, but he's dead on about the defense, particularily the front 7. I mean seriously, are they going to be able to fill that many positions before week 1? It may be a bit too early to press the panic button, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see we're behind the 8 ball here. Lots of holes to fill and not a lot of available bodies to fill them with.

[HarveyWallbangers]

In 2007, he played hurt the entire season and coached ripped him for not being at all effective.

True

In 2006, he was playing injured the entire beginning of the season, and when he was finally healthy enough to play a lot of downs, they put him in the starting lineup.

That's not the way I remember it. KGB was so ineffective as a run defender the first half of that year they finally gave up the notion that he was an every down player. More than at any other time, teams exploited KGB in the run game. I think he only ended up starting the last handful of games.[/quote]

[Bretsky]

In 2007, he played hurt the entire season and coached ripped him for not being at all effective.

True

In 2006, he was playing injured the entire beginning of the season, and when he was finally healthy enough to play a lot of downs, they put him in the starting lineup.

That's not the way I remember it. KGB was so ineffective as a run defender the first half of that year they finally gave up the notion that he was an every down player. More than at any other time, teams exploited KGB in the run game. I think he only ended up starting the last handful of games.

[/quote]

Agree; I think it was the last 4 games; maybe 5. And the defense was far better when it occured