Vonnie Holliday

[imscott72]

Did you read the article? Despite playing only 56% of the snaps he led all linemen in tackles and sacks. What makes you think he's got nothing left? He loved playing for Capers and loved it in Green Bay, but we can't even talk to the guy? I just don't understand.

Well, considering DE Matt Roth had more tackles and more sacks (52 tackles and 5 sacks), I'm not sure how much you can trust the article. Of the other two guys that started on the DL, Ferguson likely played even fewer snaps (as he is a run down player) and the DE was a rookie 3rd round draft pick who didn't start every game. The backups likely played even fewer snaps. That team played a rotation, so to make a guy who had less than 46 tackles and just 3.5 sacks out to be some stud is a little much.

Every one on our starting DL had more tackles than Holliday did last year (except for Jenkins--who was well on his way to having many more tackles).

That being said, I do like Vonnie. I'd give him a shot if he had anything left. I didn't watch enough Dolphins games to give an informed decision.

I agree he's not a stud and at 33 yrs old I wouldn't expect him to be. The thing that attracts me is the veteran leadership, which we didn't have last year, the familiarity with Capers, and his prior experiences in Green Bay. I just don't get why Ted can't at least bring him in and talk to him about what he's looking for. I'm not saying he's going to carry us to a Superbowl, but at the right price he's indeed servicable and can be a great presence for our younger guys.

[3irty1]

I feel like bringing him in makes GB more attractive to Jason Taylor.

[pittstang5]

The thing that attracts me is the veteran leadership, which we didn't have last year, the familiarity with Capers, and his prior experiences in Green Bay. I just don't get why Ted can't at least bring him in and talk to him about what he's looking for. I'm not saying he's going to carry us to a Superbowl, but at the right price he's indeed servicable and can be a great presence for our younger guys.

Agree 100%

[Pugger]

Just because Nonnie hasn't heard from the Packer so far doesn't mean he won't at all. When was he released?

[sheepshead]

The thing that attracts me is the veteran leadership, which we didn't have last year, the familiarity with Capers, and his prior experiences in Green Bay. I just don't get why Ted can't at least bring him in and talk to him about what he's looking for. I'm not saying he's going to carry us to a Superbowl, but at the right price he's indeed servicable and can be a great presence for our younger guys.

Agree 100%

This is no where near the same team as when he left. I'm not sure I see the attraction other than homer attraction.

[Partial]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Well, we don't know that he's cheap. We'll see by the contract he gets. And the reason he would be cheap is because he's 33 years old and may not have a lot left. Now, I wouldn't mind signing him, but it's not like he's a slam dunk to improve our defense much.

[Patler]

Holliday lead all Miami linemen in both tackles and sacks in 2008, per ESPN.
He received a little over $3 Million in "new" money in 2008, but was due a $1.5 Million roster bonus now that Miami didn't want to pay. The article said he would have cost $5M against the cap in 2009. About 1.7M was from earlier bonuses, 1.5M from the new roster bonus, which would leave a 2009 salary of about $1.8 to account for the $5M cap figure.

Miami has Merling from their 2nd round draft last year. Probably time for him to start, making Holliday and his cap dollars expendable.

I think he wouldn't be too expensive. $3.3 would make up for what he would have gotten in Miami. Holliday has never had a real big contract. He has been paid about $25M in the last 9 seasons.

[sheepshead]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

[Partial]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

We have 30 something million in cap room. Bring him in, and pitch a one or two year deal to him. Who cares how much we pay for him for a year or two? No long term side effects..

Harv, I have no idea how much he helps us, but at this point, even an average player is better than no player. We need someone!

[sheepshead]

"Who cares how much we pay for him for a year or two?"


Ted Thompson does, as well he should.


You sure are all over the board. Try to collect your thoughts and type.

[Patler]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

I know you weren't addressing me with your comment, but I will jump in here anyway! I think we can make a good guess what it would take to sign him from information about what he has been paid. As I wrote just before your last message, all from available data and not guess work:

He received a little over $3 Million in "new" money in 2008, but was due a $1.5 Million roster bonus now that Miami didn't want to pay. The article said he would have cost $5M against the cap in 2009. About 1.7M was from earlier bonuses, 1.5M from the new roster bonus, which would leave a 2009 salary of about $1.8 to account for the $5M cap figure.

I think he wouldn't be too expensive. $3.3 would make up for what he would have gotten in Miami. Holliday has never had a real big contract. He has been paid about $25M in the last 9 seasons.

[sharpe1027]

Holliday lead all Miami linemen in both tackles and sacks in 2008, per ESPN.
He received a little over $3 Million in "new" money in 2008, but was due a $1.5 Million roster bonus now that Miami didn't want to pay. The article said he would have cost $5M against the cap in 2009. About 1.7M was from earlier bonuses, 1.5M from the new roster bonus, which would leave a 2009 salary of about $1.8 to account for the $5M cap figure.

Miami has Merling from their 2nd round draft last year. Probably time for him to start, making Holliday and his cap dollars expendable.

I think he wouldn't be too expensive. $3.3 would make up for what he would have gotten in Miami. Holliday has never had a real big contract. He has been paid about $25M in the last 9 seasons.

If that price is accurate, I hope we give him a solid look

[imscott72]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

What is your deal? You know what it's going to take to sign a guy by bringing him in for a visit. We're not trying to cure cancer here. We can't sign a guy if he's not even scheduled for a visit. I'm just confused as to why Thompson refuses to open any dialogue with anyone.

[imscott72]

Try to collect your thoughts and type.

Yes you really should..