153 - Jager Burton - C - Kentucky

[Bretsky]

Don't be holding me accountable, PB! I reserve the right to pretend I always thought what I am thinking at this moment.

HEY, WHO WAS RIGHT ON SHERY GARY ??? lol

I do really like this pick though

[bobblehead]

Bookmarking all these posts when the inevitable complaints come rolling in during the season for moving OL around for training purposes.

But this is why I'm kinda happy they drafted a real interior guy who has double digit starts at G and C.

[Fritz]

I'll be curious to see how John Williams's health is this year. He had a bad back; that's a tough one to come back from. But if he can, that would really, really help the depth of this line.

[Joemailman]

I'll be curious to see how John Williams's health is this year. He had a bad back; that's a tough one to come back from. But if he can, that would really, really help the depth of this line.

He actually was practicing at the end of last season. He should be good to go when OTA's start.

[Joemailman]

Burton is pretty smooth for a guy his size.

https://x.com/i/status/2049609677780967476

[bobblehead]

Burton is pretty smooth for a guy his size.

https://x.com/i/status/2049609677780967476

He even stumbled coming out. The big thing with OL is lateral movement and ability to engage in space though. Focus on the broad jump as drive blocking uses similar leverage and muscles. To me tape matters more than testing most of the time. Guys can train to run a better 40 with a professional helping them align legs and feet properly and get off blocks faster. None of that matters once you are on the field. Show me a WR running a 4.54 who snaps off his breaks. I'll take him over a 4.3 guy who rounds his routes every time.....and its not always possible to train a guy to fix that kind of thing. Some guys have the right bone structure and muscle build to do it. Just like pad level. If you have a naturally high base you will never have great pad level. They should start measuring leg length like they do arm length. Maybe even core length. If a guy has a 1" longer neck and is 6'5" how does he have a height advantage over a guy who is 6'4" with the shorter neck....and what if the length of the head is another 1/2" different. This is partly why I detest Gutes and his "measurables". Gimme the guy who plays good football.

[Joemailman]

He even stumbled coming out. The big thing with OL is lateral movement and ability to engage in space though. Focus on the broad jump as drive blocking uses similar leverage and muscles. To me tape matters more than testing most of the time. Guys can train to run a better 40 with a professional helping them align legs and feet properly and get off blocks faster. None of that matters once you are on the field. Show me a WR running a 4.54 who snaps off his breaks. I'll take him over a 4.3 guy who rounds his routes every time.....and its not always possible to train a guy to fix that kind of thing. Some guys have the right bone structure and muscle build to do it. Just like pad level. If you have a naturally high base you will never have great pad level. They should start measuring leg length like they do arm length. Maybe even core length. If a guy has a 1" longer neck and is 6'5" how does he have a height advantage over a guy who is 6'4" with the shorter neck....and what if the length of the head is another 1/2" different. This is partly why I detest Gutes and his "measurables". Gimme the guy who plays good football.

The way Burton ran in the 20 yard range looks to me like a guy who will be able to engage in space. The fact that he initially stumbled but was able to adjust quickly enough to post an elite time was impressive to me.

[Joemailman]

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[bobblehead]

The way Burton ran in the 20 yard range looks to me like a guy who will be able to engage in space. The fact that he initially stumbled but was able to adjust quickly enough to post an elite time was impressive to me.

Engaging is space is a skill, it has nothing to do with speed. Some guys can do it and some can't. We drafted Meyers specifically because he did it well. The problem is he couldn't handle a guy lined up over him and other teams figured that out.

[bobblehead]

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I love the fact he did ALL the drills. Its amazing you put up the Tretter comp because that is kind of what I was hoping he could become when I saw his film. I'm still pissed we let Tretter walk instead of keeping him as a guard. He may have been a better center, but he would have been a really good guard and we had a really big hole at the time.

[run pMc]

Burton is a Packers-y pick: athletic, experienced and versatile. Supposedly mentally wired the right way. Jacob Monk should be worried...this guy should push to be the top backup at the interior spots. GB can get out of Sean Rhyan's contract pretty easily after this year as well.

The backup/swing tackle spot is one I'm unclear on as well. I keep hearing they like Travis Glover, but who knows what he looks like. Kinnard could probably do it, but I would guess they would shuffle Tom over to LT and put Kinnard in at RT. Belton could also do it, but I think he's best focusing on RG for now.

I get GB likes to cross train, and I think it makes sense for building your 53 and game day rosters. I wonder if they wouldn't be better off just having a primary and secondary position, vs. playing them all over. For example, just training Belton on the right side so he's a RG but could backup RT. Likewise with LT/LG. Just a random idea that might make the footwork and hand usage easier to pick up (thus avoiding the Josh Sittonism "it's like wiping your ass with your other hand").

I do think their starting 5 is easier to project with Jenkins and Walker gone, and that alone might limit some of the lineup shuffling.
Injuries have a funny way of messing your lineup plans though.


re: Burton, I think the value, need, and scheme fit all line up nicely. Seems like a good pick to me.

[texaspackerbacker]

Getting rid of Monk would be addition by subtraction. Rhyan not so much. After mediocrity at Guard, he did pretty well at Center. Burton may eventually replace him, but I don't think it will be this season.

[bobblehead]

Burton is a Packers-y pick: athletic, experienced and versatile. Supposedly mentally wired the right way. Jacob Monk should be worried...this guy should push to be the top backup at the interior spots. GB can get out of Sean Rhyan's contract pretty easily after this year as well.

The backup/swing tackle spot is one I'm unclear on as well. I keep hearing they like Travis Glover, but who knows what he looks like. Kinnard could probably do it, but I would guess they would shuffle Tom over to LT and put Kinnard in at RT. Belton could also do it, but I think he's best focusing on RG for now.

I get GB likes to cross train, and I think it makes sense for building your 53 and game day rosters. I wonder if they wouldn't be better off just having a primary and secondary position, vs. playing them all over. For example, just training Belton on the right side so he's a RG but could backup RT. Likewise with LT/LG. Just a random idea that might make the footwork and hand usage easier to pick up (thus avoiding the Josh Sittonism "it's like wiping your ass with your other hand").

I do think their starting 5 is easier to project with Jenkins and Walker gone, and that alone might limit some of the lineup shuffling.
Injuries have a funny way of messing your lineup plans though.


re: Burton, I think the value, need, and scheme fit all line up nicely. Seems like a good pick to me.

Some cross training is necessary for the gameday. Can't carry 10 OL active. You need a backup interior and exterior guy. My gripe with the cross training really honed in on Morgan. He was a LT with LT skills. I think they clearly drafted him to be the RG of the future which would be fine in the 4th, not in the first. You pay a 1st and you best give him every chance to succeed at his best position. Walker was a 7th and he was only a tackle from day one. Eventually winning the LT job. I said it then, if you wanted a RG Graham Barton was there for the taking.

[pbmax]

Some cross training is necessary for the gameday. Can't carry 10 OL active. You need a backup interior and exterior guy. My gripe with the cross training really honed in on Morgan. He was a LT with LT skills. I think they clearly drafted him to be the RG of the future which would be fine in the 4th, not in the first. You pay a 1st and you best give him every chance to succeed at his best position. Walker was a 7th and he was only a tackle from day one. Eventually winning the LT job. I said it then, if you wanted a RG Graham Barton was there for the taking.

Gute seems on record that he sees him as a LT.

But here is a thought: Morgan might be example 1A of why Policy was going to put the GM back in charge of the whole roster. But LaFleur wouldn't sign his deal with that change happening after multiple years in the new silo.

[Joemailman]

But here is a thought: Morgan might be example 1A of why Policy was going to put the GM back in charge of the whole roster. But LaFleur wouldn't sign his deal with that change happening after multiple years in the new silo.

Where did you hear this? It's news to me, although it might explain why it took so long to get those deals done.