216 - Trey Smack - K - Florida

[run pMc]

I just wonder what they'll do if both McManus and Smack are both lights out in training camp and preseason. I think McManus was almost perfect last preseason.

Didn't McManus make something like 30 kicks in a row before the playoffs (incl XPs)? I think tie goes to the cheaper, younger player... you never know though.

I could easily see them go with keeping both on the roster, then cutting Smack and putting him on the PS Day 1 of the regular season. I'd worry he'd get poached in that situation though, which makes me think they'd prefer him over McManus who could have a bounceback year a la Mason Crosby but he's never had the leg that Smack does... and hitting from 50+ is becoming a thing in the league now.

[texaspackerbacker]

Somehow, I don't think it will be a tie. Either Smack will be consistent and clearly beat McManus because of a stronger leg, or else he will be inconsistent, and McManus will keep the job sorta by default. I'm rooting for Smack, but I'd say it's 50/50 who wins out.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

McAnus released, it seems.

Time to watch some aphrodisiac vids and Smack off!

[Joemailman]

Well that didn't take long. So it's Smack vs. Lucas (61 yard FG) Havrisik.

[pbmax]

He must not have insulted anyone or dated any coaches daughters during rookie camp to impress this fast.

[bobblehead]

Well that didn't take long. So it's Smack vs. Lucas (61 yard FG) Havrisik.

I just don't get this one. First off, you paid McAnus a cool million just recently. So we earned the right to hold onto him through camp I would say. What happens if Smack falls on his Anders and sucks? No reason whatsoever to cut Anus.

Second, don't you WANT the kid to feel pressure? I mean taking all the pressure off of him hardly tells you how he is going to react with game on the line ffs. A huge leg is nice but nerves make great kickers. Ability to block out the pressure. Taking it off of him for no reason whatsoever is braindead. Sometimes I really wonder what Gutes is thinking.

Can ANYONE explain to me why cutting McAnus right now made sense??

[Sparkey]

Post June 1 designation to save 2.6m on this years cap. Did not do it sooner as they had know way to know that they could draft Smack in the 6th round.

[Joemailman]

I wouldn't be surprised if McManus saw the writing on the wall and asked for his release. If so, I can see where Gute might be willing to release the guy who blew a playoff game and now doesn't want to be here.

[Bretsky]

I wouldn't be surprised if McManus saw the writing on the wall and asked for his release. If so, I can see where Gute might be willing to release the guy who blew a playoff game and now doesn't want to be here.

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To me, there are two real possibilities here

1. He asked for his release and GB granted it so he could find something else.
2. Maybe he was just an Ahole and when the opportunity to get Smack came along we just wanted to move on. He obviously had a bad thing or two occur that ended his stints at other spots. Maybe we just didn't want him back if we had another real option. NO evidence on that; just a hunch


ALSO, the ST coach, per Wilde and Tausch really loved Smack and made a push for him.

[bobblehead]

None of those explanations explain handing him the million. If he requested his release I would request he refund the march roster bonus first. That seems fair to me. If he wants to hold onto that money then tough. Ride out camp while we see what the kids got. As for him being an ahole, he was an ahole when we first signed him, extended him and gave him the roster bonus.

[pbmax]

None of those explanations explain handing him the million. If he requested his release I would request he refund the march roster bonus first. That seems fair to me. If he wants to hold onto that money then tough. Ride out camp while we see what the kids got. As for him being an ahole, he was an ahole when we first signed him, extended him and gave him the roster bonus.

What if they paid him a million as a hedge against not getting their preferred kicker(s) in the draft?

[Joemailman]

None of those explanations explain handing him the million. If he requested his release I would request he refund the march roster bonus first. That seems fair to me. If he wants to hold onto that money then tough. Ride out camp while we see what the kids got. As for him being an ahole, he was an ahole when we first signed him, extended him and gave him the roster bonus.

Why are you making such a big deal about 1/3 of 1% of the salary cap? I get you don't like Gute, but this is really a non-issue.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Why are you making such a big deal about 1/3 of 1% of the salary cap? I get you don't like Gute, but this is really a non-issue.

Bobble is a millionaire who still drives a 1993 Honda Accord. Plus, he’s afraid of losing $500 at 2-5 No Limit Hold’em.

Meanwhile, I make $15/hr, drive a 2018 Prius and drunk-tilted away $2700 on Saturday at 1-3.

You tell me, who’s the wiser man?

[Patler]

The $1M paid to McManus is not a lot more than the minimum wage for a first-year player. Sure, as things turned out it would have been better to have not paid it, but it doesn't have a significant impact on the overall salary cap situation.

The two decisions: first to pay the bonus, now to release McManus; are not and should not be related. They were made at different times under different conditions. Both can be good decisions at the time they were made.

I doubt Gutekunst wants to invest three roster spots in kickers at this time. It came down to the much younger Havrisik or McManus who may not have that many years left in his career. It would have been wrong to keep McManus just because the bonus had been paid.

If you think a vet has little chance to make your roster and there is concern about the chance of reinjury, you have to consider the possibility of being stuck with his contract if he is injured in team activities. Perhaps there is some concern with his injuries from last year, and with two other decent prospects they can eliminate the risk by letting him go.

Recall also that McManus' signing was somewhat controversial because he had been suspended by the NFL and released by Washington following a lawsuit filed by two flight attendants alleging sexual harassment on a team flight. He settled with the plaintiffs to gain reinstatement from the league so he could sign with GB. May or may not have been an indicator of his character/personality.

[pbmax]

I doubt Gutekunst wants to invest three roster spots in kickers at this time. It came down to the much younger Havrisik or McManus who may not have that many years left in his career. It would have been wrong to keep McManus just because the bonus had been paid.

An actual, real life example of someone not succumbing to the sunk cost fallacy.