Andre Smith STRUGGLES AT ALABAMA PRO DAY

[Fritz]

Interesting claim that Waldo made about Smith - that he is a road grader who might not fit the pass-block-first mentality he says the Packers have.

This would present an interesting scenario if A. Smith is sitting at #9.

I do think the trade-down thing is a real possibility, unless Raji is there. IF he is sitting there and TT just trades down and skips out on Raji, I'll be bummed. A little. Cuz TT might turn around and draft a "nobody" who turns into Nick Collins or something.

[Joemailman]

No question Smith has suffered from a lack of advice/judgment. The question is how much can be blamed on bad advice, and how much is bad judgment due to lack of self motivation. After raising red flags by being suspended for the bowl game, it didn't take a genius to figure out that he needed a good combine to reverse the bad publicity he had gotten. Having failed to prepare for the combine, he surely should have understood that he needed to be in top shape for his pro day. Having failed to get in decent shape for the pro day, he certainly should have known you don't run a 40 yard dash with your shirt off when overweight. His talent will get him drafted in the 1st round, but there could be a lot of GM's who will question how serious he is about being a professional football player.

[rbaloha1]

The rationalization of AS's recent behaviors are comical.

Yes, AS has immense talent but a poor attitude and lack of maturity -- plain and simple. Potential for off the field issues. Too risky to give large guaranteed money.

A Mike Sherman pick -- not Ted Thompson. Get real guys.

[BlueBrewer]

i just saw that he also only put up 225, 19 times

thats not very good for a top tier o-lineman

I'm pretty sure we were talking weights a month ago on here and Bobblehead said he put up more 225 lb. reps than that in high school!!

<<Snake bows...

TT loves those street FA's yo! Need an agent?

Actually I was 24 at the time...in high school I would have been a state lifting champion with that strength (I think). The poster above who says he did it at 19 is more impressive. (or roided)

One thing you have to remember, elite LT's have long arms and their bench numbers are always a bit off. I'd be more interested in what he squatted and WHY he became a piece of shit overnight.

I'm not a fan of guys like this, but if by some chance he slipped to our pick in the 2nd you gotta consider it, unless we get monroe in the first or something like that.

edit: Didn't see the street FA thing. You think TT is interested in a slow 5'9" 210lb. 39 year old coming off shoulder surgery??

No roids here. I lifted weights 3 day a week from eighth grade on up. I was in a weight lifting class my freshman year at LaCrosse when I achieved that number. At the time I was 6'2" 240 with my freshman 15 included. I have never been a specimen by any means, all I am saying is repping 225 more than 19 times is not hard when you are a college football player.

[Guiness]

Interesting perspective KY and Waldo. A. Smith's agent made a mess of this - he should be guiding his 'elite' client much more carefully. Not saying it's all his fault, but there seems to be very little mitigation/damage control going on.

[Patler]

No roids here. I lifted weights 3 day a week from eighth grade on up. I was in a weight lifting class my freshman year at LaCrosse when I achieved that number. At the time I was 6'2" 240 with my freshman 15 included. I have never been a specimen by any means, all I am saying is repping 225 more than 19 times is not hard when you are a college football player.

I have read comments from several scouts and personnel people who have said this is the biggest read flag of all-things-Smith since the combine. It suggests not just a guy who is not dedicated to working out, but a guy who apparently never has and who doesn't want to even with $$$$$$$ on the line.

[bobblehead]

No roids here. I lifted weights 3 day a week from eighth grade on up. I was in a weight lifting class my freshman year at LaCrosse when I achieved that number. At the time I was 6'2" 240 with my freshman 15 included. I have never been a specimen by any means, all I am saying is repping 225 more than 19 times is not hard when you are a college football player.

I have read comments from several scouts and personnel people who have said this is the biggest read flag of all-things-Smith since the combine. It suggests not just a guy who is not dedicated to working out, but a guy who apparently never has and who doesn't want to even with $$$$$$$ on the line.

Put him in with Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, and Reggie White as guys who hated the weight room. I am not as concerned about a tackles bench press as I might be a press corner or some other positions.

And apologies to blue brewer...I didn't mean to imply you were on roids, I was saying it is damn impressive lift for a 19 year old regardless...you were a big committed Kid so not surprising. All I meant was that most people on roids at that time could have done it as well.

[BlueBrewer]

No roids here. I lifted weights 3 day a week from eighth grade on up. I was in a weight lifting class my freshman year at LaCrosse when I achieved that number. At the time I was 6'2" 240 with my freshman 15 included. I have never been a specimen by any means, all I am saying is repping 225 more than 19 times is not hard when you are a college football player.

I have read comments from several scouts and personnel people who have said this is the biggest read flag of all-things-Smith since the combine. It suggests not just a guy who is not dedicated to working out, but a guy who apparently never has and who doesn't want to even with $$$$$$$ on the line.

Put him in with Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, and Reggie White as guys who hated the weight room. I am not as concerned about a tackles bench press as I might be a press corner or some other positions.

And apologies to blue brewer...I didn't mean to imply you were on roids, I was saying it is damn impressive lift for a 19 year old regardless...you were a big committed Kid so not surprising. All I meant was that most people on roids at that time could have done it as well.

No apologies neccesary i didn't take it that way, I don't think the actual bench number is a problem but that it shows lack of dedication even when a huge payday is there to help motivate.

[Patler]

No roids here. I lifted weights 3 day a week from eighth grade on up. I was in a weight lifting class my freshman year at LaCrosse when I achieved that number. At the time I was 6'2" 240 with my freshman 15 included. I have never been a specimen by any means, all I am saying is repping 225 more than 19 times is not hard when you are a college football player.

I have read comments from several scouts and personnel people who have said this is the biggest read flag of all-things-Smith since the combine. It suggests not just a guy who is not dedicated to working out, but a guy who apparently never has and who doesn't want to even with $$$$$$$ on the line.

Put him in with Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, and Reggie White as guys who hated the weight room. I am not as concerned about a tackles bench press as I might be a press corner or some other positions.

I suspect there are a lot of athletes that don't like aspects of their training, just like many of us have certain aspects of our jobs we don't like. That doesn't mean you don't do it.

Jackson, Walker and White were all immensely strong. White may have been able to avoid the weight room, but I would be surprised if Walker and Jackson did not spend their fair share of time in a weight room whether they liked it or not, especially Walker. I don't know of a single elite sprinter who does not do a lot of weight work, and more upper body weight work than many fans would think.

I don't put a lot of emphasis on the bench numbers from the combine, whether its 25, 30 or 35 reps. But 19 is surprisingly low for a guy of that size. Heck, QBs do better than that! It can't be simply ignored. It is a "flag" that bears investigation.

[BlueBrewer]

No roids here. I lifted weights 3 day a week from eighth grade on up. I was in a weight lifting class my freshman year at LaCrosse when I achieved that number. At the time I was 6'2" 240 with my freshman 15 included. I have never been a specimen by any means, all I am saying is repping 225 more than 19 times is not hard when you are a college football player.

I have read comments from several scouts and personnel people who have said this is the biggest read flag of all-things-Smith since the combine. It suggests not just a guy who is not dedicated to working out, but a guy who apparently never has and who doesn't want to even with $$$$$$$ on the line.

Put him in with Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, and Reggie White as guys who hated the weight room. I am not as concerned about a tackles bench press as I might be a press corner or some other positions.

I suspect there are a lot of athletes that don't like aspects of their training, just like many of us have certain aspects of our jobs we don't like. That doesn't mean you don't do it.

Jackson, Walker and White were all immensely strong. White may have been able to avoid the weight room, but I would be surprised if Walker and Jackson did not spend their fair share of time in a weight room whether they liked it or not, especially Walker. I don't know of a single elite sprinter who does not do a lot of weight work, and more upper body weight work than many fans would think.

I don't put a lot of emphasis on the bench numbers from the combine, whether its 25, 30 or 35 reps. But 19 is surprisingly low for a guy of that size. Heck, QBs do better than that! It can't be simply ignored. It is a "flag" that bears investigation.

Walker was notorious for push-up ans sit-up training

[KYPack]

Jackson, Walker and White were all immensely strong. White may have been able to avoid the weight room, but I would be surprised if Walker and Jackson did not spend their fair share of time in a weight room whether they liked it or not, especially Walker. I don't know of a single elite sprinter who does not do a lot of weight work, and more upper body weight work than many fans would think.

I don't put a lot of emphasis on the bench numbers from the combine, whether its 25, 30 or 35 reps. But 19 is surprisingly low for a guy of that size. Heck, QBs do better than that! It can't be simply ignored. It is a "flag" that bears investigation.

Herschel just hated weights. He was such a physical freak the coaches allowed him his own training. He would far off-set skipping lifting by doing crazy amounts of sit-ups and push-ups.

The "only 19 reps" bit does make me wonder about Smith. A kicker did 25 reps in the same test.

The thing I like about Smith is.. He's seems to be a great kid. He doesn't really understand what's going on, but has kept level-headed during all this. He has stayed loyal to Keels in spite of the combine and other PR disasters. I admire loyalty and this kid is loyal if not too savvy.

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No.

[Fritz]

If strength is the kid's calling card then why do you suppose he couldn't lift more?

[hoosier]

Must not have eaten his Wheaties.

[Joemailman]

Should have had his spinach.