draft thoughts 3/12

[Partial]

How does he need X amount of classes? Since when in college do you need X amounts of credits to be considered a full-time student? You need 12 credits. Period. End of story. Any uni across the country.

The point is the dude either A) didn't take enough credits, or B) failed some classes.

So, let's break this down:

1. Taking less credits than required:

Lazy.

2. Not following up properly on your own to be sure you're eligible:

Dumb and lazy

3. Possibly failed classes:

Dumb

4. Had to push classes into the summer because he couldn't handle the workload:

Dumb and/or lazy, possibly both

You cited he had troubles academically in the fall. Had he done better in fall, would he had to have taken summer classes? Probably not.

"I didn't mess up in fall, but I didn't finish as strong as I needed to". Ok, so he's making an excuse for his performance, the exact thing that I cannot stand.

How does this go against him being dumb and lazy? Any way you slice it, he fucked up and had to make up classes during the summer. Typically, is school divided into three periods with a summer session I'm unaware of? No, your typical good student student athlete is not taking summer classes..

Where there's smoke, there is fire. Clearly at some point this dude either decided to fuck off, is just dumb and fucked off without deciding to, took less credits than required, or failed some classes. Give me a break. Clearly, there were academic irregularities at play here.

[Lurker64]

I'd say we break it down like this, pretend you're B.J. Raji:

At some point, your academic advisor tells you "B.J., you need to take 2 classes in the summer in order to be eligible for the next season", and you take 2 classes. What part of that is lazy and/or stupid?

The reason he had to take classes in the summer? It's incredibly common for athletes (football players, volleyball players, wrestlers, etc.) to take a limited schedule of courses during their season, and as such are not on the same pace to graduate as a normal student. To deal with this, they usually make up for it with extra classes during their offseason, frequently during academic periods where most students don't take classes.

The guy didn't take enough classes because he was given some bad information, and he needed to take extra classes because he didn't take enough classes one season or maybe finished with a couple of incompletes or even failed a class or two. This happens to a ton of normal students who have less on their plate, and a lot of them learn from their mistakes and shape up and go on to accomplish great things.

I think you're putting way, way too much emphasis on one mistake the guy made. By all accounts, the guy showed a lot of determination and overall moxie in how he responded to adversity here. Everything I heard out of the BC coaches pointed to Raji being a good high character guy.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Partial fails to understand the difference between university standards and NCAA standards.

Lazy and dumb is no way to go thru life.

[Partial]

You're making an assumption. They only thing we know is that in one year of school, even with taking two summer classes, he did not hit 24 credits. That's a little bit pathetic. I've failed more than my fair share of classes but never dipped below 12 in a semester.

What are these standards, Ty? He is probably required to be a full time student with a 2.0, and thats it.

What I know is this. He is only allowed to spend 20 hours a week doing any sort of athletic related activity, be in lifting weights, in the film room, whatever. I work 30 hours a week in school, and sure as shit take more than 12 credits a semester.

And, why is he not double checking what his advisors are saying? Does he not have a curriculum sheet/pdf of his major? He should know exactly what is required. Again, that overall lack of preparedness speaks volumes. I certainly double check everything my advisor says, and I'd imagine most people do, and most people have a lot less on the line.

So, what does that say?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'd say we break it down like this, pretend you're B.J. Raji:

At some point, your academic advisor tells you "B.J., you need to take 2 classes in the summer in order to be eligible for the next season", and you take 2 classes. What part of that is lazy and/or stupid?

The reason he had to take classes in the summer? It's incredibly common for athletes (football players, volleyball players, wrestlers, etc.) to take a limited schedule of courses during their season, and as such are not on the same pace to graduate as a normal student. To deal with this, they usually make up for it with extra classes during their offseason, frequently during academic periods where most students don't take classes.

The guy didn't take enough classes because he was given some bad information, and he needed to take extra classes because he didn't take enough classes one season or maybe finished with a couple of incompletes or even failed a class or two. This happens to a ton of normal students who have less on their plate, and a lot of them learn from their mistakes and shape up and go on to accomplish great things.

I think you're putting way, way too much emphasis on one mistake the guy made. By all accounts, the guy showed a lot of determination and overall moxie in how he responded to adversity here. Everything I heard out of the BC coaches pointed to Raji being a good high character guy.

Raji is definitely a loser. The fact that he stayed at BC after this screwup is just more proof he is dumb and lazy. Completing coursework while not being able to play..dumb and lazy.

Only needing one course credit last fall in order to graduate...dumb and lazy.

[Bossman641]

How does this go against him being dumb and lazy? Any way you slice it, he fucked up and had to make up classes during the summer. Typically, is school divided into three periods with a summer session I'm unaware of? No, your typical good student student athlete is not taking summer classes.

I'm sorry Partial but you are dead wrong here. The majority of athletes, big time ones at least, stay at school over the summer and take classes because they take fewer classes during their seasons. They also like to hang around campus lifting, practicting, and just bonding with teammates.

That's been my experience at least from 2 summers at school. And no I didn't stay during the summer because I'm a dumb lazy idiot. I switched from mechnical engineering to accounting and had to stay to take classes to catch up.

[Partial]

I still hold him accountable. Too many people are baby these guys throughout life, and if he had a brain in his body he'd have double checked his business himself instead of relying on his handlers to do so.

[Packers4Ever]

Orakpo or Raji look decent. I really don't care for Raji a great deal because he seems lazy and dumb, but at some point they need another body on the DL that is capable of being plugged in if an injury occurs.

Ideally, we had some depth through FA and add OSackPo. He will be an absolute monster when they send him after the passer play after play.

Lazy can be tolerated up to a point, but dumb is absolutely
out of the question !!

[mission]

Not to mention Boston College isn't exactly a low-level education ... BC aint UW-M...

[Partial]

Are you kidding me? These athletes are having their "tutors" do their homework, prepare them for tests with sample tests, etc. You think this is just happening at FSU? Get real. This happens everywhere and is common.

I have no idea what he's going to school for and can't seem to find it, but I'd bet he has one of your classic football player majors like communications or something BS like that.

[packrulz]

I haven't ruled out Andre Smith at #9, yes, he's immature and shot his mouth off, but put him on the field and he's a mauler with a nasty demeanor and competitive fire you love to see. He just needs a good coach to crack the whip. Good tackles are hard to find, Kirwan has TT taking Smith in his new mock. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

[Fritz]

Orakpo or Raji look decent. I really don't care for Raji a great deal because he seems lazy and dumb, but at some point they need another body on the DL that is capable of being plugged in if an injury occurs.

Ideally, we had some depth through FA and add OSackPo. He will be an absolute monster when they send him after the passer play after play.

Lazy can be tolerated up to a point, but dumb is absolutely
out of the question !!

I have never seen such an intense breakdown of whether someone is "lazy" or "dumb" before. I like that people (I will not take sides though I know with whom I agree) are actually trying to bring real information to bear on the argument, instead of just throwing adjectives around.

[Fred's Slacks]

I haven't ruled out Andre Smith at #9, yes, he's immature and shot his mouth off, but put him on the field and he's a mauler with a nasty demeanor and competitive fire you love to see. He just needs a good coach to crack the whip. Good tackles are hard to find, Kirwan has TT taking Smith in his new mock. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

I think this sentence may be the problem. I'm not to impressed with what these coaches have done with the talent they've been given on the OL. Hopefully its due to all the shifting around they've done. If they cut that out maybe it will get better but so far I'm not too impressed with Campen as the OL coach.

[ND72]

I was a student athlete in college, and I LOVED taking summer classes. In fact, I usually took my harder classes in the summer, just so I could focus and work just on those classes.

[cpk1994]

Dean: If you can't go to the dean or other academic support people and trust them..who can you? I know when i went to the dean..it was gospel.

Or you got Double Secret Probation!