Cutler gone?

[hoosier]

Looks like Broncos are ready to release Cutler:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/15/12197/

It's going to take me a while to recover from seeing that. You might want to include a warning: "not suitable for viewing over breakfast" or something like that.

[Joemailman]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

Cutler says he can't trust McDaniels and now wants to be traded.

This thing is just getting weirder by the minute....

If I was Pat Bowlen, I would consider firing McDaniels over this. The one position that Denver appeared to have settled when he was hired was at the QB, and the man managed to screw that up with some really questionable decisionmaking.

Sounds like Bowlen is supporting McDaniels. He is reported to be unhappy with how Cutler has handled it.

[Cheesehead Craig]

The Broncos won't need to get a QB in trade for Cutler, they can just bring Bubby Brister out of retirement.

[BlueBrewer]

The Broncos won't need to get a QB in trade for Cutler, they can just bring Bubby Brister out of retirement.

They crybaby Kramer to fill those size 8 shoes.

[Guiness]

This is one of thosse interesting, essential philosophical disagreements folks on this board have from time to time. I would be aghast if the Packers tried this approach (which people have advocated from time to time, especially during Favre's last years). To me, this shoot-the-wad approach is akin to rolling all your debts into a refinance of your house - it ay look good now, but look out Lucy down the road.

Yet I can also see the appeal - I don't think that you, Ras, or anyone who advocates this approach - that all the pieces are nearly there, so why not? - is foolish or anything. I definitely see the appeal. It's just that in my experience as a fan, the times I've seen this approach tried, it just doesn't seem to work.

Except this scenario is a little different - they're not shooting the wad on some old vets hoping they've got a few years left in the tank - they'd be getting a young QB who's already good, and probably still developing. They'd arguably be spending the draft picks they could likely use trying to get a QB of that caliber anyways.

If TT traded Rodgers for those picks, would you be laughing, or screaming for TT's head?

[cpk1994]

This is one of thosse interesting, essential philosophical disagreements folks on this board have from time to time. I would be aghast if the Packers tried this approach (which people have advocated from time to time, especially during Favre's last years). To me, this shoot-the-wad approach is akin to rolling all your debts into a refinance of your house - it ay look good now, but look out Lucy down the road.

Yet I can also see the appeal - I don't think that you, Ras, or anyone who advocates this approach - that all the pieces are nearly there, so why not? - is foolish or anything. I definitely see the appeal. It's just that in my experience as a fan, the times I've seen this approach tried, it just doesn't seem to work.

Except this scenario is a little different - they're not shooting the wad on some old vets hoping they've got a few years left in the tank - they'd be getting a young QB who's already good, and probably still developing. They'd arguably be spending the draft picks they could likely use trying to get a QB of that caliber anyways.

If TT traded Rodgers for those picks, would you be laughing, or screaming for TT's head?

If Thomspon doesn't have a dog to shoot, I'd be trying to take his head off.

[Waldo]

It's real easy to make Cutler feel wanted again in Denver.

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Cutler is simply holding out and making a big stink to get traded, saying he doesn't feel wanted, simply because to feel wanted he's going to need to see a lot of green to reassure him.

Cook is using the rumored trade to cash in to the tune of 70-80M in new contract $ for his client, and the inexperienced Denver FO and coach is falling right into his bear trap. What kind of dick of a player wants to completely desert his teammates and go elsewhere over the fact that he wasn't the coaches first choice. Great locker room guy.

Bus is a snake. The worst kind. At least Drew is a blunt object dick. Bus is sly and evil and uses the mob (fans) to his client's advantage. This is just a big ass power play a la Favre. Cutler thinks he has more political capitol with the fans than the coach and GM have, and is cashing it in.

[retailguy]

It's real easy to make Cutler feel wanted again in Denver.

$$

Cutler is simply holding out and making a big stink to get traded, saying he doesn't feel wanted, simply because to feel wanted he's going to need to see a lot of green to reassure him.

Cook is using the rumored trade to cash in to the tune of 70-80M in new contract $ for his client, and the inexperienced Denver FO and coach is falling right into his bear trap. What kind of dick of a player wants to completely desert his teammates and go elsewhere over the fact that he wasn't the coaches first choice. Great locker room guy.

Bus is a snake. The worst kind. At least Drew is a blunt object dick. Bus is sly and evil and uses the mob (fans) to his client's advantage. This is just a big ass power play a la Favre. Cutler thinks he has more political capitol with the fans than the coach and GM have, and is cashing it in.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. This has been my take since the beginning. The only thing that has given me pause to think was the rumor put out there by Peter King that Cutler requested the trade over his former coach bolting for USC. Otherwise, Waldo I think you nailed it.

[Zool]

It's real easy to make Cutler feel wanted again in Denver.

$$

Cutler is simply holding out and making a big stink to get traded, saying he doesn't feel wanted, simply because to feel wanted he's going to need to see a lot of green to reassure him.

Cook is using the rumored trade to cash in to the tune of 70-80M in new contract $ for his client, and the inexperienced Denver FO and coach is falling right into his bear trap. What kind of dick of a player wants to completely desert his teammates and go elsewhere over the fact that he wasn't the coaches first choice. Great locker room guy.

Bus is a snake. The worst kind. At least Drew is a blunt object dick. Bus is sly and evil and uses the mob (fans) to his client's advantage. This is just a big ass power play a la Favre. Cutler thinks he has more political capitol with the fans than the coach and GM have, and is cashing it in.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. This has been my take since the beginning. The only thing that has given me pause to think was the rumor put out there by Peter King that Cutler requested the trade over his former coach bolting for USC. Otherwise, Waldo I think you nailed it.

Heh, so Cutler talks exclusively to Peter King too? Maybe Bus and King are the same person.

[Fritz]

This is one of thosse interesting, essential philosophical disagreements folks on this board have from time to time. I would be aghast if the Packers tried this approach (which people have advocated from time to time, especially during Favre's last years). To me, this shoot-the-wad approach is akin to rolling all your debts into a refinance of your house - it ay look good now, but look out Lucy down the road.

Yet I can also see the appeal - I don't think that you, Ras, or anyone who advocates this approach - that all the pieces are nearly there, so why not? - is foolish or anything. I definitely see the appeal. It's just that in my experience as a fan, the times I've seen this approach tried, it just doesn't seem to work.

Except this scenario is a little different - they're not shooting the wad on some old vets hoping they've got a few years left in the tank - they'd be getting a young QB who's already good, and probably still developing. They'd arguably be spending the draft picks they could likely use trying to get a QB of that caliber anyways.

If TT traded Rodgers for those picks, would you be laughing, or screaming for TT's head?

I see your point but don't entirely agree. If I recall, Ras said he might be willing to part with a #1 and #2 to get Cutler. Yes, Cutler is young, but it only takes one pick to get a QB. So in essence the Vikes, who might let's say otherwise have shot their #2 pick on Josh Freeman, are giving up a #1. Or If they picked a QB with their #1 they'd be giving up a #2 (pick).

Either way, this deal would cost them a draft pick that cannot be used on a replacement for Pat Williams or Sharper or anyone else. To me, when you already gave up, the year before, a #1 and, what, a #2 or 3 (?) for one player, and you do the same the next year, you are losing valuable picks. You may be acquiring front line talent - but at the expense of depth (and not just depth - potential starters with front line talent).

The trade off is that Cutler has a track record, of course. That's why he'll cost more than one pick, most likely, unless he can force his way out. So I see your point, Guiness. I just think that in the long run the Vikes will be hurting themselves, particularly if Cutler is half the ass he appears to be in this situation. If.

[Guiness]

Except this scenario is a little different - they're not shooting the wad on some old vets hoping they've got a few years left in the tank - they'd be getting a young QB who's already good, and probably still developing. They'd arguably be spending the draft picks they could likely use trying to get a QB of that caliber anyways.

If TT traded Rodgers for those picks, would you be laughing, or screaming for TT's head?

I see your point but don't entirely agree. If I recall, Ras said he might be willing to part with a #1 and #2 to get Cutler. Yes, Cutler is young, but it only takes one pick to get a QB. So in essence the Vikes, who might let's say otherwise have shot their #2 pick on Josh Freeman, are giving up a #1. Or If they picked a QB with their #1 they'd be giving up a #2 (pick).

Either way, this deal would cost them a draft pick that cannot be used on a replacement for Pat Williams or Sharper or anyone else. To me, when you already gave up, the year before, a #1 and, what, a #2 or 3 (?) for one player, and you do the same the next year, you are losing valuable picks. You may be acquiring front line talent - but at the expense of depth (and not just depth - potential starters with front line talent).

The trade off is that Cutler has a track record, of course. That's why he'll cost more than one pick, most likely, unless he can force his way out. So I see your point, Guiness. I just think that in the long run the Vikes will be hurting themselves, particularly if Cutler is half the ass he appears to be in this situation. If.

I agree with what you're saying, while still standing by my point. Taken individually, these trades make sense - 2 picks for a starting Pro Bowl DE? Ya, I'm going that. Two picks for a Pro Bowl QB? Sign me up. I think spending multiple picks for a sure fire starter makes a lot of sense - do 50% of draft picks end up starting more than a dozen games? I bet the number's close. Minnesota's drafted a QB the last three years running...and is obviously still looking. Or Washington - 3 QB's drafted in 4 years. Their answer isn't on the roster, as far as I can tell.

What I agree with you is that spending draft picks for trades hurts you, because it harms your depth and makes your team older. When you take into account nickel back, FB, kicker, punter, there are about 25 starting positions on a football team. Spend too many picks on filling a few of them, and you've got street FA's in the rest.

[mngolf19]

In the end, Det has the most to offer in a trade but they may have already decided to go the Stafford route. If that is the case, then MN could get him for #1 and a player. I'm ok with that as long as they use the rest of the picks on OL, WR, and DL.

[hoosier]

One problem with these Cutler trade scenarios is that Denver is not in full rebuilding mode, at least not that they're willing to admit. If they trade Cutler, they're going to need a viable starting QB in return--something that neither Det nor Minn has to offer them. I really can't see Den trading Cutler just to they can draft Stafford and start all over again with grooming their QB of the future.

[red]

i would have no problem putting the whole blame on the broncos for this mess...

if bus cook wasn't involved

there's way too many similar things to what went down with brett going on last year

[Zool]