STICKING TO THE PLAN

[Bretsky]

Re: Hodge

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

Gee, May-be Hodge was a lousy pick to begin with? IF you draft a good LB with that 3rd pick, then you have no need to sign Chiller. Then you could have spent that money on a position of weakness elsewhere..

I fail to understand why the snow-ball theory is a difficult concept for some. When you miss on a high draft pick, it creates a dominoe effect. Now you have to cover the bad move with another move.

That is why I'm so critical of failed choices. I just don't shrugg it off and say "oh well, ya can't be right on every pick". I see the bigger picture and how bad moves by a GM trickle down. One impact player in 4 seasons is a very poor record and foolish to defend.

That said, Rogers is the wild card. IF he developes into an impact player, then Teddy's draft record improves from abysmal to a tad above ok.

I have a hard time saying his draft record is abysmal

Up to this point
He has produced one star in Jennings
Odds are rising stars in Rodgers and Nick Collins
A decent player in Hawk
Wild Cards that could turn well above average in Spitz, Colledge
And some To be Determined's

At this point there don't seem to be many abysmal picks....maybe Harrell, Hodge (who most in here liked), Lee.

[Patler]

Re: Hodge

I fail to understand why the snow-ball theory is a difficult concept for some. When you miss on a high draft pick, it creates a dominoe effect. Now you have to cover the bad move with another move.

So is it the "snowball theory" or the "dominoe effect"?

[Joemailman]

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

Gee, May-be Hodge was a lousy pick to begin with? IF you draft a good LB with that 3rd pick, then you have no need to sign Chiller. Then you could have spent that money on a position of weakness elsewhere..

I fail to understand why the snow-ball theory is a difficult concept for some. When you miss on a high draft pick, it creates a dominoe effect. Now you have to cover the bad move with another move.

That is why I'm so critical of failed choices. I just don't shrugg it off and say "oh well, ya can't be right on every pick". I see the bigger picture and how bad moves by a GM trickle down. One impact player in 4 seasons is a very poor record and foolish to defend.

That said, Rogers is the wild card. IF he developes into an impact player, then Teddy's draft record improves from abysmal to a tad above ok.

I think you're basing too much of your critique of TT on failed draft choices. Ron Wolf drafted Terrell Buckley, George Teague, John Michels, Antuan Edwards, and Jamal Reynolds in the 1st round. Derrick Mayes and Mark D'Onofrio in the 2nd round. Everybody has their big time misses.

I'm not sure what to make of TT's performance thus far. Part of me thinks he hasn't done enough to fill the holes in the roster. Part of me thinks the development of the young players he's brought in has been hampered by what was a mediocre coaching staff, especially on the defensive side. What are the Packers? Are they an 8-8 team, a 13-3 team, or a 6-10 team? I think we're about to find out.

[Patler]

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

and Frank Walker for.........aaaaaaa

of forget it

So true!

Yet, old Frank was starting for the Ravens at the end of the '08 season. He never got much of a chance in GB. I'm not sure why they even signed him. He never seemed to fit into their plans.

[mission]

Im actually more surprised that 3100 idiots paid $85 to hear TT/M3 talk about nothing ... someone is bankin off chumps. Do the math on that.

[bobblehead]

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

One of the best posts I've read in awhile. I'll skip all the clappy hands, but I was thinking the exact same thing while reading KY's rap.

[bobblehead]

Re: Hodge

That is why I'm so critical of failed choices. I just don't shrugg it off and say "oh well, ya can't be right on every pick". I see the bigger picture and how bad moves by a GM trickle down. One impact player in 4 seasons is a very poor record and foolish to defend.

I think you are being unrealistic. Many choices will fail. You have to look at the body of work. This is a make or break year for TT. HIs first 2 drafts have had enough time to develope. We must win 9 games minimum this season or you can start to question his ability to hit on players. I will always defend his WAY of building a team, I believe its the best way. The only question at this point is, does he have the eye to pick out players or not. This season tells the tail.

[cpk1994]

Re: Hodge

That is why I'm so critical of failed choices. I just don't shrugg it off and say "oh well, ya can't be right on every pick". I see the bigger picture and how bad moves by a GM trickle down. One impact player in 4 seasons is a very poor record and foolish to defend.

I think you are being unrealistic. Many choices will fail. You have to look at the body of work. This is a make or break year for TT. HIs first 2 drafts have had enough time to develope. We must win 9 games minimum this season or you can start to question his ability to hit on players. I will always defend his WAY of building a team, I believe its the best way. The only question at this point is, does he have the eye to pick out players or not. This season tells the tail.

I agree. And your post should end this thread becuase thats all that needs to be said.

[Fred's Slacks]

Re: Hodge

That is why I'm so critical of failed choices. I just don't shrugg it off and say "oh well, ya can't be right on every pick". I see the bigger picture and how bad moves by a GM trickle down. One impact player in 4 seasons is a very poor record and foolish to defend.

I think you are being unrealistic. Many choices will fail. You have to look at the body of work. This is a make or break year for TT. HIs first 2 drafts have had enough time to develope. We must win 9 games minimum this season or you can start to question his ability to hit on players. I will always defend his WAY of building a team, I believe its the best way. The only question at this point is, does he have the eye to pick out players or not. This season tells the tail.

Agreed. Couldn't of said it better.

[The Shadow]

The plan is a sound one. Support it 100%.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'd be a lot more fired up if the plan was always right. But the "plan" got us lost in the Woods last year. That doesn't bother Lori Nickel, but it worries me some.

One part of the plan that makes me nervous the whole "kids, kids, kids, grow from within" deal.

Look at the DB's. Williams is holding us up for money and Jarrett Bush will get a million a year from us or Tenn. They have the time in and are going to get the best deal. Williams will get a couple mil a year or so, if we sign him. Bush will get a mil a year. We have to lay out good money to retain both players. Meanwhile, NE just signed Leigh Bodden for $750,000, the beloved veterans minimum for a player of his time and grade.

Leigh Bodden is a comparable player to Williams. He is a much better corner than Bush, doesn't play safety and isn't a ST guy. We could have had a reasonable solution to this problem by signing Bodden and Bush. Let Williams walk and we have two back-up CB's for under two million per year. We won't because Thompson's vision of the plan is to retain his own at all costs. (This ain't no Anti-TT rap here, now).

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available. I think it's OK that we don't get "stupid money" vet FA's. But we should get more value FA's. As you can guess, I've always like Leigh Bodden. He's a good young troop. A vet player who got screwed by being with dumb organizations. It isn't his fault that he played for Savage's Browns and Millen's Lions.

NE is the team that uses the value vet FA market the best. They grow their own, but sign vet FA's and make smart trades. I'd like to see us keep our overall approach, but be clever in all areas. Our reluctance to make a deal or sign a value vet is hurting us.

I'm not gonna say it was a bad post. It's better than what most of the professionals write.

Just the same, I disagree with your basic premise. The Packers are one of the very most successful teams over the last couple of decades doing what they do--what Lori said--doing VERY little messing around with free agents from elsewhere/building from within.

I like it like that.

[KYPack]

I'm not gonna say it was a bad post. It's better than what most of the professionals write.

Just the same, I disagree with your basic premise. The Packers are one of the very most successful teams over the last couple of decades doing what they do--what Lori said--doing VERY little messing around with free agents from elsewhere/building from within.

I like it like that.

Well, back at ya, Lone Star.

Our victorious SB team had Reggie White, Sean Jones, Gilbert Brown, Brett Favre, and Santana Dotson on it. All were the result of trades, marquee free agent signings, and value FA pick-ups. We did it then and we can do it now. I'm all for building for the draft, but that ain't the only way to get it done.

Thompson is great at drafting players, managing the cap, and building a team.

He needs to add personnel thru all available channels.

We need some CB help. Leigh Bodden should have been pursued and signed if possible. NE gets him for the minimum? I don't like that one little bit and I don't care what anybody says about it. We should have pursued a solid hand like Leigh. That's a value FA that we need to chase and land on our roster.

[Fritz]

In the vernacular, KY, sounds like you got a boner for Bodden.

So is this post more a result of your admiration of Leigh Bodden's skills (that'd be more my vernacular) and the fact that TT didn't pay him to replace Williams or Bush, or is it simply pointing out that TT leans too much toward development from within?

I can't quite puzzle this one out.

[Brando19]

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

and Frank Walker for.........aaaaaaa

of forget it

So true!

Yet, old Frank was starting for the Ravens at the end of the '08 season. He never got much of a chance in GB. I'm not sure why they even signed him. He never seemed to fit into their plans.

Didn't Frank start because of injuries to the starters?

[KYPack]

In the vernacular, KY, sounds like you got a boner for Bodden.

So is this post more a result of your admiration of Leigh Bodden's skills (that'd be more my vernacular) and the fact that TT didn't pay him to replace Williams or Bush, or is it simply pointing out that TT leans too much toward development from within?

I can't quite puzzle this one out.

Both, I guess Fritz. I've always thought Bodden was a good young hand. I can't say I saw him play a lot last season, but he was Cleveland's young gun at CB. Then he goes to Detroit in the Rogers trade. Next he's on the waiver wire. NE gets him for the Vet min. That means nobody bid a dime, Other than Billy B. I'm pissed about that.

I don't think we are getting our fair share of value vet FA's. Bodden is exhibit A, but I'd imagine there are others. We should get talent from all available sources and TT is focused on retaining only our young uns. This little scrape with the reserve CB's shows how this won't always work. Williams will probably cost us 1.5 - 2 million a year. Bush for a mil. So growin' your own can be pretty cost prohibitive, too.

I want us to adopt the NE model. Get talent where it is available. Need a WR? Trade for Moss. Need an all-purpose guy to play multiple positions on D? Sign Adalis Thomas, a marquee FA. Need a vet back-up CB? sign Bodden off the waiver wire. Back-up QB? Draft matt Cassell and wind up with a #2 pick out of it.

They can do it, let's us give it a whirl.