For TT Lovers...

[wist43]

I think MM's closer to the hot seat than TT is.

I've read on a couple of sites that TT and MM are on the hot seat... but I don't think there's any pressure whatsoever on either one of them.

TT will be in GB forever, and they will likely always be a competetive team year in and year out... good enough for the Packers. They'll also likely never win a SB with TT at the helm... but, that isn't a priority in Green Bay anymore.

TT is reminding me more and more of Carl Peterson... good talent evaluator, but average GM.

Revenue sharing, salary cap, and teams must spend most of said cap. If the goal isn't to win the superbowl and income/revenue is pretty much locked in, what is that goal??

I think TT's goal is to implement his process, and he believes it is his process that will lead to success...

How often do you ever hear TT talk about winning the SB??? I've heard him say that they want to be consistent in their approach; I've heard him say they will take their highest rated guy when it's their turn to pick, regardless of position; I've heard him say, "we like OUR guys", etc...

Truthfully, I really can't say that TT has the SB as a goal... I think he'd be perfectly happy going 10-6 every year. I think Consistancy is more important to TT than winning it all.

[sharpe1027]

I think TT's goal is to implement his process, and he believes it is his process that will lead to success...

How often do you ever hear TT talk about winning the SB??? I've heard him say that they want to be consistent in their approach; I've heard him say they will take their highest rated guy when it's their turn to pick, regardless of position; I've heard him say, "we like OUR guys", etc...

Truthfully, I really can't say that TT has the SB as a goal... I think he'd be perfectly happy going 10-6 every year. I think Consistancy is more important to TT than winning it all.

IMO, a team that goes 10-6 over a period of several years has more of a chance at winning a SB than a team that only plans for one or two years and then needs to be completely retooled because of salary-cap hell.

I will take those odds all day.

[wist43]

I think TT's goal is to implement his process, and he believes it is his process that will lead to success...

How often do you ever hear TT talk about winning the SB??? I've heard him say that they want to be consistent in their approach; I've heard him say they will take their highest rated guy when it's their turn to pick, regardless of position; I've heard him say, "we like OUR guys", etc...

Truthfully, I really can't say that TT has the SB as a goal... I think he'd be perfectly happy going 10-6 every year. I think Consistancy is more important to TT than winning it all.

IMO, a team that goes 10-6 over a period of several years has more of a chance at winning a SB than a team that only plans for one or two years and then needs to be completely retooled because of salary-cap hell.

I will take those odds all day.

I agree to a certain extent... however, if you're close enough, and all you need is that one or two guys... TT won't go and get them. That's the point, I guess.

[Waldo]

I think TT's goal is to implement his process, and he believes it is his process that will lead to success...

How often do you ever hear TT talk about winning the SB??? I've heard him say that they want to be consistent in their approach; I've heard him say they will take their highest rated guy when it's their turn to pick, regardless of position; I've heard him say, "we like OUR guys", etc...

Truthfully, I really can't say that TT has the SB as a goal... I think he'd be perfectly happy going 10-6 every year. I think Consistancy is more important to TT than winning it all.

IMO, a team that goes 10-6 over a period of several years has more of a chance at winning a SB than a team that only plans for one or two years and then needs to be completely retooled because of salary-cap hell.

I will take those odds all day.

I agree to a certain extent... however, if you're close enough, and all you need is that one or two guys... TT won't go and get them. That's the point, I guess.

I love this cliche. Lots of Packer fans like to cite it as gospel.

When/who was the last "over the top" FA that worked? Sounds good in practice, but I am at a loss to come up with a successful example. At least since the 90's (Marshal Faulk).

[Guiness]

I love this cliche. Lots of Packer fans like to cite it as gospel.

When/who was the last "over the top" FA that worked? Sounds good in practice, but I am at a loss to come up with a successful example. At least since the 90's (Marshal Faulk).

Jared Allen! Nope, missed the playoffs. Haynesworth! Mmm, jury's still out, but I think I know the answer. Edgerrin James? The Cards eventually put it together, but he wasn't the reason. I've got it: Brett Favre!!! Nope, didn't quite get the result the Jets were hoping for there either.

Seriously, Faulk is a good example. Reggie, of course. You have to acknowlege Moss's role in the Pats '07 season - while you could argue is didn't put them 'over the top' because they didn't win the SB, you can't take away from that season. Deon was pretty instrumental in SF's run that year.

But there sure aren't many. Many more examples of huge dollars spent on FA's who may have played well, but it wasn't enough.

[Zool]

Moss was traded not a FA and restructured his enormous contract down to 1 year. Sorta the opposite of FA actually.

[Guiness]

Moss was traded not a FA and restructured his enormous contract down to 1 year. Sorta the opposite of FA actually.

Um, oops?

Yer right, of course.

[retailguy]

I think TT's goal is to implement his process, and he believes it is his process that will lead to success...

How often do you ever hear TT talk about winning the SB??? I've heard him say that they want to be consistent in their approach; I've heard him say they will take their highest rated guy when it's their turn to pick, regardless of position; I've heard him say, "we like OUR guys", etc...

Truthfully, I really can't say that TT has the SB as a goal... I think he'd be perfectly happy going 10-6 every year. I think Consistancy is more important to TT than winning it all.

IMO, a team that goes 10-6 over a period of several years has more of a chance at winning a SB than a team that only plans for one or two years and then needs to be completely retooled because of salary-cap hell.

I will take those odds all day.

I agree to a certain extent... however, if you're close enough, and all you need is that one or two guys... TT won't go and get them. That's the point, I guess.

I love this cliche. Lots of Packer fans like to cite it as gospel.

When/who was the last "over the top" FA that worked? Sounds good in practice, but I am at a loss to come up with a successful example. At least since the 90's (Marshal Faulk).

Well, if you're pointing to the Super Bowl, maybe you can say this.

Plenty of free agents make their teams better.

Here's 3 from the past few years for starters:

Drew Brees
Michael Turner
Adalius Thomas

[Waldo]

Adalius Thomas is viewed as a FA disappointment/bust. They paid for a 10+ sack a year guy, and got a 5-6 sack a year guy. If they trade for Pep, there's a good chance they cut Thomas to clear cap space.

[cpk1994]

Jared Allen! Nope, missed the playoffs.

No he didn't.

[KYPack]

It was a trade, but SF took less value to get rid of Charles Haley to the Cowboys. It made a big difference in the Cowboy D. They won three rings with Haley and he has 5 for his career.

Haley made a huge difference in the Cowboys locker room.

Google "Charles Haley Stories" and see what a sick, crazy guy he was.

[Guiness]

You're just trying to bring some penis pictures into this thread KY. What a guy you are!

[Fritz]

Jared Allen! Nope, missed the playoffs.

No he didn't.

He was also traded for - not a free agent.

[retailguy]

Adalius Thomas is viewed as a FA disappointment/bust. They paid for a 10+ sack a year guy, and got a 5-6 sack a year guy. If they trade for Pep, there's a good chance they cut Thomas to clear cap space.

Huh? Maybe by some of the fans, or uninformed talking heads, but asserting that is ridiculous if you ask me.

Thomas is versatile, and almost always in position. His sack #'s dipped in 2007, that's true, but keep in mind, he was used as an OLB when NE went into a 4/3 defense. Depending on how often this happened, it would affect his sack numbers. Remember, while the 3/4 is the base alignment in NE, they use a fair amount of the 4/3 alignment.

In 2008, he was injured (broken forearm) in November, played nine games, I think. In those nine games he managed 5 sacks. That would put him on pace for double digit sacks. But, keep in mind that sacks are just one measure. In 2007 total tackles were only off by 5 over his last season in Baltimore.

Baltimore also runs a very agressive form of the 3/4. Bellicheck likes to keep people guessing with mixed fronts and occasional 4/3 looks. Expecting him to match his exact stats with Baltimore would be foolish and short-sighted. He's used differently in NE.

Thomas is not a bust by any stretch, and has provided and will continue to provide stability in that defense. I know it's been reported that Thomas is a "forgotten man" in NE, but I don't believe it. I wouldn't put it past Bellichek to find a way to put both of them on the field at the same time.

[RashanGary]

When the Patriots were taking mid to bottom level FA's, supplemented with the draft and getting everyone to perform at higher levels, how many SB's did they win? 3

Since they started spending big in UFA and the moss trade, how many SB's have they won? ZERO.




Certainly NE has been a bigger player in the upper end UFA's the last few years. However, they have not had the real championships to go with their paper championships since they switched gears.

The Steelers have stuck with the low tier UFA's/draft and they're winning the titles now. Maybe one way is better than the other, huh

SB winners tend to have one thing in common the last 10 years, they do not have many hgih priced UFA's when they win. Maybe they add them after and lose, but during their peak, they have less $ spent on FA's than most teams. That is undeniable.