Nick Collens skipping offseason program, looking for new dea

[SnakeLH2006]

First off it's Collins not Collens.. Sorry bro..caught flak in recent topic about Travon...err...Tramon. lol

Unlike a guy like Kampy and Jennings who have performed at high levels for multiple seasons, Snake sees no reason to jump into a long term deal with Collins, when it was said previously "he sucked for 3 years and had one good year"....Agreed.

Not only that, but he got bumped up to $3.5 million which seems about right. For all his BS plays in years 1-3..thank god he did something good in year 4. He's got money for his 3 babies and then some.

Finally, who knows how he's gonna be in a 3-4 as that is not only the front 7, but a total change for the entire D.

Normally, I'd like to re-up these young guys on their last year ASAP, but I'll hold my breath and see how Collins does leading the safeties this year under new coach Darren Perry. If he plays well, pay him after 8 games or so...if he's so-so...let him go. Collin's value has never been higher than right now, as it will be the same if he plays just as good during the 2009 season...so why give him mega money now?

This reminds Snake of the Ryan Grant scenario (sorry Patler ) but they only had 1 good year...I'd rather see multiple years as I'm sure most here are convinced Kampy and Jennings are consistent core performers worth a long term deal...so waiting to see for another half year of so to see if Collins is too, and worth it. Not saying he's not turned the corner, but what if we signed him for 6 years, 40 million like he wants, then he flops ass this year...We are stuck bitching about him longterm, instead of just 2009.

Snake's Take:

Wait. Observe. Make contract decision thereafter in 2009.

[Dylan McKay]

I just don't think Collins is any position to demand a new contract. Sure he had a good year in 2008, but he had two years of average to below average play before that.

[Bretsky]

I just don't think Collins is any position to demand a new contract. Sure he had a good year in 2008, but he had two years of average to below average play before that.

WELCOME TO PR Dylan ! Completely agree with you

[BlueBrewer]

[quote="Bretsky"]

I just don't think Collins is any position to demand a new contract. Sure he had a good year in 2008, but he had two years of average to below average play before that.

Unfortunately logic seldom prevails

[bobblehead]

I just don't think Collins is any position to demand a new contract. Sure he had a good year in 2008, but he had two years of average to below average play before that.

That is your first ever post?? Could't you have at least flamed TT or bare minimum ragged on Tex!!!

[Dylan McKay]

Hey nice reception. I saw this place a couple of months ago and liked to check in on the packer talk. I figured with a new season on the horizon with the draft coming up I would try and throw my 2 cents around this place.

I like Nick Collins, but I didn't think he was consistent enough, even in 2008 to make the pro bowl, sure he had some picks and all, but so did Darren Sharper.

[vince]

I didn't exactly chart his play or anything, but I don't recall Collins getting beat much last year, or whiffing on tackles more than once or twice that would warrant his play being called inconsistent. I agree that he was inconsistent his first two years, but he was pretty consistent last year - at least as far as I remember.

That said, I'm with Snake and others in that I don't think we should throw a big-money long-term deal at him until the coaches can get a sense for whether and how quickly he'll grasp being able to assume the helm of making more complex and quickly changing coverage calls in this new defensive scheme. He seemed to struggle with the previous scheme, which incorporated much simpler and less dynamic coverages.

Coming off his pro-bowl year, his and his agent's sense of worth isn't going to go up any more than it already has, so there is little to gain by rushing into a deal right now.

I hope he understands that he needs to be there from the beginning to learn the defense and maximize his success when the time comes for him to demonstrate he's worth the big payday he seeks.

[cheesner]

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I hope he understands that he needs to be there from the beginning to learn the defense and maximize his success when the time comes for him to demonstrate he's worth the big payday he seeks.

Then knock on him early was his lack of smarts. It maybe took a few years for the mental aspects of the game to come to him before he blossomed last season. With the new system, he may again be behind. I think he should have worked something out with his wife, brought her to GB (they have docs there also) or have his wife develop some muscle control so she could have clamped down and kept the little one in labor for a week or so until Nick was done with camp.

Maybe that is why he is anxious to sign - he suspects he may struggle learning the new system. Stay away from camp so the new DC doesn't know you are not that bright.

[sharpe1027]

Maybe that is why he is anxious to sign - he suspects he may struggle learning the new system. Stay away from camp so the new DC doesn't know you are not that bright.

Sadly, this thought did cross my mind. Maybe the new defense might not play to all of his strengths, also a new coach doesn't always stick with established guys...

That being said, I see nothing to suggest that he won't show up for camps. I think this is just poor journalism until I see something to back it up.