""A SURE BET " TTT confident in roster AS IS

[SkinBasket]

At this point, I think in a perfect world, Ted would run the draft and contribute to FA decisions (talent wise). Someone else with a more well rounded skills across the board would helm the GM role.

In what aspects of the GM role do you believe TT is lacking? Anything other than his presence in front of the media? What skills would this well rounded individual have that TT does not (other than PR skills)?

Well I did add that I don't believe there is a guy out there that would be an upgrade right now. But to your question, I guess he could probably be better with player communication. I cringe saying that since I don't believe in it, but apparently the players do. I would have liked someone who acted sooner on coaching deficiencies in the organization. As much as I don't buy into FA as a way to build a team, he could probably use a little more outside input in that area as well.

Like I said, in a perfect world. In this world, I believe he's doing about as good of a job as he can, minus the inevitable bad decision here and there, and I don't think there's anyone out there I would dump him for.

[texaspackerbacker]

I've been saying all along, the Packers have no pressing needs at all, very few even classified as "needs". I also said, Thompson and McCarthy seem to feel that way too, and I'm very comfortable being in lockstep with the two of them, even if a bunch of media and forum know-nothings have other ideas.

[wist43]

Depends on what you define as "need"...

They have 80 guys on the roster, a slew of them are listed as LB's, a bunch of them as DE's... from that standpoint, we're covered, we can field a team.

I certainly am not happy with the starting lineup though, although most of the starting lineup is, in fact, comprised of NFL calibur players. The problem is, with the exception of Jennings, none of them are difference makers/play makers. We don't have a single guy on defense that an offensive coordinator has to account for.

Can Hawk start for another team??? Of course... is he going to win you games??? No.

And so goes the whole roster... so from that standpoint, I think we have a lot of "needs". Signing the Michael Montgomery's of the world isn't going to do anything to get us to the SB.

[cpk1994]

I think the anger toward TT comes from reading comprehension problems. He never said he was completely satisfied with the team. He did say there were no glaring holes in the starting lineup. I think that is accurate. Poppinga, Wells, Jenkins, Jolly, Bigby are really not horrible. They are our worst starters, but they are not "glaring needs to be replaced".


Now, if he came out and said he likes the team just how it is and plans to do nothing to upgrade it, well, that would be a problem. Judging by the tone of some here, that is what they read, and that is scary.

You basically read it based on your opinion of him. Those that like TT or don't have a problem with him see it the way you have explained in the first paragraph. Those who hate TT see it like your second paragraph. I happen to agree with your first paragraph.

[Waldo]

This for the most part is just foolishness, sorry but injuries are pretty much luck. The Packers in 2007 had the same strength coach and they got by just fine, in 2008 the injury bug hit. I can't honestly sit here and blame the strength coach, for one nobody from the Packers came out and blamed him specifically.

Why was the Rock fired then? It certainly wasn't because they felt he was better than the guy they hired in his place...

Why was Rock immediately hired by someone else? Why did McCarthy talk him up when he hired him? It wasn't because he bad at what he does I would guess.

You miss the point. I'm not arguing that Rock was bad. Not at all. I'm arguing that the guy we got in his place is percieved to be better, and that really can't be argued at all. If they didn't think that Redding was better than Rock, why would they not have just kept Rock? They made this move because in their estimation it will translate to better health of their players, which will lead to more efficient play on the field. How can anyone argue that?

The Rock had his good and bad points.

He committed the ultimate sin though for a S&C coach, he has a major injury in his weight room on his watch. That IMO is close to a firable offense in itself.

The Rock was a lifting weight room guy, the harder you work, the better you are. He was great at building bodies, packing on muscles, and making guys strong. Every year there were guys that had huge gains.

He was perfect for the young team of the '06-'07 seasons, but his approach has limitations, and that was apparent this last year. He was not right for an exceptionally hungry team.

After being so close in '07, last year the offseason participation was unprecedented and guys gave it their all for that next step. His biggest flaw was not putting a damper on that, in fact going further and helping it along. He allowed and encouraged guys to overtrain, and the hunger after the '07 season led to a lot of overtraining. And that showed itself during the regular season.

I think that MM saw the limitations of the Rock's approach. Great for developing guys, but not so great for an exceptionally hungry team.

That combined with his big sin led to his ouster. Redding's approach is totally different. Avoiding overtraining as much as possible. We're probably not going to see the big gains in some of the young guys anymore, but hopefully we see a team that can sustain physical play longer, and see fewer overtraining injuries.

[Fritz]

I trust TT.

[cpk1994]

I trust TT.

We just need to look at your avatar to know that.

[Gunakor]

We don't have a single guy on defense that an offensive coordinator has to account for.

There's that Aaron Kampman guy that OC's have had to gameplan for a tad. And our two CB's, Al Harris and Charles Woodson, are two guys that you have to plan around. You really don't wanna throw at either very often.

I think if you made this statement to an actual NFL OC you'd be laughed at.

[Gunakor]

Signing the Michael Montgomery's of the world isn't going to do anything to get us to the SB.

No, but you need depth. Every team has a Michael Montgomery on their roster. Monty wasn't signed to be a starter. If it comes to that point that we need Monty to start a significant amount of games for us, we aren't going to win a SB anyway. But we gotta sign someone to play the position if the guy in front of him gets injured.

[cheesner]

The Rock had his good and bad points.

He committed the ultimate sin though for a S&C coach, he has a major injury in his weight room on his watch. That IMO is close to a firable offense in itself.

The Rock was a lifting weight room guy, the harder you work, the better you are. He was great at building bodies, packing on muscles, and making guys strong. Every year there were guys that had huge gains.

He was perfect for the young team of the '06-'07 seasons, but his approach has limitations, and that was apparent this last year. He was not right for an exceptionally hungry team.

After being so close in '07, last year the offseason participation was unprecedented and guys gave it their all for that next step. His biggest flaw was not putting a damper on that, in fact going further and helping it along. He allowed and encouraged guys to overtrain, and the hunger after the '07 season led to a lot of overtraining. And that showed itself during the regular season.

I think that MM saw the limitations of the Rock's approach. Great for developing guys, but not so great for an exceptionally hungry team.

That combined with his big sin led to his ouster. Redding's approach is totally different. Avoiding overtraining as much as possible. We're probably not going to see the big gains in some of the young guys anymore, but hopefully we see a team that can sustain physical play longer, and see fewer overtraining injuries.

I have heard MM refer to 'atmosphere' regarding the training room. My take on the phrasing being used is there was a personality conflict between Rock and the players or the coaches. This conflict was interfering with the effectiveness of the program. Doesn't mean the Rock didn't know what he was doing, just that I think he may have been too 'old school' for some of the players. The new guy has been around even longer, notwithstanding, he still seems more flexible and more of a 'work with you' kind of attitude whereas Rock seemed more 'in your face shame you to do the work' type.

[Brandon494]

Wow talk about overracting. Its TT being TT, giving the media as little information as possible. You really think he is going to start telling the media what is going on behind close doors? Give me a break, this guy knows what he is doing by leaving the fans and other GMs in the dark about what his plans are. The **** is chess, not checkers.

[Brandon494]

BTW some of you need to stop acting like this isnt pretty much the same team that was a play away from going to the SB alittle over a year ago. Injuries had A LOT to do with our record last season, not the freaking talent.

[Waldo]

Really, my take was that it was that it had gotten away from being football training and was more of a powerlifting weight room.

Other nuggets I've picked up were that there were lots of little contests and peer pressure to to go at it harder than the next guy, which was something the Rock encouraged, not discouraged.

[cheesner]

Wow talk about overracting. Its TT being TT, giving the media as little information as possible. You really think he is going to start telling the media what is going on behind close doors? Give me a break, this guy knows what he is doing by leaving the fans and other GMs in the dark about what his plans are. The **** is chess, not checkers.

Reporter: So TT, what are your teams weaknesses?

TT: Well, OT. Clifton is deteriorating rapidly, Taush's injury is worse than we thought and he will miss next year, we won't resign him, our top backups Moll and Bruno are both going to have surgery next month, and moving Colledge over we decided was a bad idea, his ideal position is at Guard. We haven't signed a single FA, so we need to get two OTs with our first 2 picks.

Every GM in the NFL who needs an OT: hmmmm, I think I will trade up to get in front of GB to get an OT.

Every GM in the NFL who doesn't need an OT: hmmmm, the Packers are going to need to trade up because (see 'Every GM in the NFL who needs an OT' above), if TT calls on draft day, I will be able to up the price because they are desperate.

Matt Millen (behind a counter in some 7-11 somewhere in CA): hmmmm, I'm not even that stupid.

[cheesner]

Really, my take was that it was that it had gotten away from being football training and was more of a powerlifting weight room.

Other nuggets I've picked up were that there were lots of little contests and peer pressure to to go at it harder than the next guy, which was something the Rock encouraged, not discouraged.

That would explain 'atmosphere' problems also.