My Draft Wish List

[Packnut]

Draft

I'd be tickled pink if he does'nt:

1-draft a guy who's been hurt since HS football.

2-Draft a QB

3- Draft a WR

4- Draft a TE ( If you don't have confidence that Finley turns into the total package, then why draft him in the first place?)

[3irty1]

I'd like something like this:

1. Orakpo, Maybin

2. Jarron Gilbert, William Beatty, Max Unger

3a. Jairus Byrd, Fili Moala

3b. Sammie Lee Hill, Gerald Cadogan, Chase Coffman, Jasper Brinkley

There are a lot of guys I wouldn't mind seeing in Green and Gold. I'd really like one of the top OT's to fall to 9 but it seems unlikely and I have mix feelings about Andre Smith. I'm secretly hoping there's a WR that we grab somewhere for good value. This looks like a good class.

[bobblehead]

I want a multi Pro Bowler with pick #9. A playmaking star.

That would be great, but the last 5 picks made at #9 were Keith Rivers, Ted Ginn, Ernie Sims, Carlos Rogers, Reggie Williams. They have a combined 0 Pro Bowls.

We hold TT to higher standards. IF our 9 pick doesn't start and make the probowl immediately BUT we win the super bowl TT must be fired.

[bobblehead]

I want a multi Pro Bowler with pick #9. A playmaking star.

That would be great, but the last 5 picks made at #9 were Keith Rivers, Ted Ginn, Ernie Sims, Carlos Rogers, Reggie Williams. They have a combined 0 Pro Bowls.

With all of the TTT glorification in here one might expect more then that of a Lions, Bengals...etc....GM

See, I told you. But remember, that lions guy is probably the best of the lot.

[Dylan McKay]

I have to admit I don't like everette brown because of the college, position at college, and number, but watching this high light of him it is hard not to like his explosion off the snap, his quickness, and he also does a really nice job at play recognition, good instincts.

Several different moves, spin move that probably won't work in the pros, but he ducks his inside shoulder nicely to work the corner with good leverage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJJ14HL5EE

[Fritz]

I'm going to be simplistic (and yes, I know what that word means): No Brown, please. He's from Florida State.

If Raji and Orakpo and the two big offensive tackles are gone, I wonder if Ted would trade down and take the boy in the Hood later in the first, and pick up an extra second so he can snag an o-lineman and another defender in the second.

I have been wondering about the efficacy of picking up another tight end. Humphrey is by all accounts a great guy, but could use some competition.

Also, for those who advocate nothing but defensive and offensive linemen, I would say that depends on what rounds. The truth is, guys picked in rounds one through three always (okay, somebody out there prove me wrong) get a free pass for at least one year, unless they are injured in a career-ending way. My sense is that guys drafted in rounds one through three have to prove that they have and will suck before they get cut, while guys drafted in rounds five through seven have to prove that they are or will be good so they don't get immediately cut.

Therefore, if TT went nuts and drafted, say, three defensive linemen with his first four picks, you'd have at least nine guys in camp competing for six or seven jobs. If you keep only six, barring injury you'd have to cut Malone, Montgomery....and who? A rookie you drafted in rounds one, two, or three? Or Harrell? (I did say barring injury!) You couldn't hide a rookie you drafted that high, not on a practice squad, not a defensive lineman.

So if TT really did draft nothing but offensive and defensive linemen in this draft, he'd be assuring himself of cutting many of those picks.

That's not to say I wouldn't like to see him draft at least two d-linemen early, and an o-lineman as well...

[Dylan McKay]

If he is there you must take him, an that man is Aaron Curry. Very versatile, especially for the new 3-4. He is probably the best tackler in the open field in the draft, good blitzer off the corner.

[Fritz]

As Ernie Harwell, the voice of Tiger baseball, used to say, Curry will be "lo-o-o-o-o-ng gone!" by the time the Packers pick.

[mission]

If he is there you must take him, an that man is Aaron Curry. Very versatile, especially for the new 3-4. He is probably the best tackler in the open field in the draft, good blitzer off the corner.

And he plays the ball like a hawking safety. Dude is the total package.

But it won't happen.

[Lurker64]

I'm going to be simplistic (and yes, I know what that word means): No Brown, please. He's from Florida State.

There's some other reasons to pass on Brown too.

There are three 3-4 pass rushing OLB prospects that are considered top tier guys in the draft: Orakpo, Brown, and Maybin. For pass rushers, from a testing numbers perspectve the most important numbers are: 10-yard split, bench reps, vert jump, broad jump. So let's compare the three.

10-yard split:
Maybin: 1.57
Orakpo: 1.58
Brown: 1.59

Reps
Orakp: 31
Brown: 26
Maybin: 22

Vert Jump:
Maybin: 38.0" Combine / 40.5" Pro Day
Orakpo: 39.5" Combine/ 39.5" Pro Day
Brown: 31.5" Combine / 30.5" Pro Day

Broad Jump
Orakpo: 10'-10" (Pro Day)
Brown: 10'-4" Combine/ 10'-10" Pro Day
Brown: 9'-6" Combine / 9'-9" Pro Day

So there's a considerable disparity in terms of "lower body strength" for the three prospects.

Moreover, let's consider Brown's Senior Campaign. He had 12.5 sacks for the season, which is good. But let's look at it from a game by game perspective: against W. Carolina, 2 against Chattanooga, 0 against Wake, 1 against Colorado, 0 against Miami (FL), 0 against NC State, 3 against Virginia Tech, 0 against Georgia Tech, 3 against Clemson, 0 against Boston College, 3.5 against Maryland, 0 against Florida, 0 against Wisconsin. 12.5 is good, but being shut out of the backfield in 8/12 games? Not so good. It seems like, he would entirely dominate teams who just didn't have a guy who could get a hand on him, but against a team with a competent LT, he would be entirely silent. The Tackles he's going to see in the NFL are a lot more talented than those he would face in the ACC (not a conference reknowned for developing offensive line talent.)

[Fritz]

Brown is about the only player that TT could pick that would make me throw up in my mouth.

[Fritz]

No, wait. Cushing would make me do that, too. But maybe a little less - without the little carrotty things in it.

[red]

No, wait. Cushing would make me do that, too. But maybe a little less - without the little carrotty things in it.

if i were you, i wouldn't eat any carrots the week before the draft

[Waldo]

So I've ID'ed two guys that IMO MM would be drooling to get his hands on as day 2 pass catchers, that the Packers were known to have big wigs at their pro day.

Jamarko Simmons, WR/H-back/FB, 6'2", 231 lb, Measurables

Same school as Greg Jennings, broke his career receptions record, broke his single season receptions record, broke his single season yards record. His senior stats - 104 rec, 1276 yds, 7 TD's. The dude is huge, as much of a miniature TE as a WR, definitely could be a guy to motion into the backfield to block, while giving up nothing as a WR (4.50 speed). He's only projected as a 7th rounder or UDFA, but he's the kind of guy TT reaches big on, I could see him in the 5th round easily. It worked out last time we took a WR from Western Michigan, and he screams MM pass catcher.

Cameron Morrah, TE/H-back, 6'3", 244 lb, Measurables

Cal product, came out very young (a la Finley). Smaller than the TE prototype, he fits the H-back mold to a T, and is a guy that could line up int he backfield, in-line, and split out wide. Good speed (4.61) for his size, and noted for his exceptional hands, perhaps the best in this TE class, and he's an over the shoulder catcher (a big weakness with TE's). But his lack of prototype TE size and age will cause him to fall near the end of the big mid-round group of fast receiving TE's that aren't great blockers, sated demand could cause him to fall a little further than his draft stock warrants. His greatest strength is his nose for the EZ. Caught 27 passes in '08, scored 8 TD's with those passes.

These are the kind of guys MM likes, good hands, can motion here, motion there, and play lots of positions. With enough of these guys our offense could get rather undefendable, especially to teams with undersized DB's or slow LB's.

I wouldn't mind getting both of them, one to replace Ruvell, the other to fill the hole left with Humphrey's departure.

[Fritz]

TT does seem to go for guys in the mid to late rounds that don't have a single position throughout their college careers. Blackmon played wide out for a year, I think. One of the fullbacks (Kuhn, Hall - I get them mixed up) was a linebacker in college. Colledge was I think a tight end for a while.

So both of those guys above, Waldo, seem to fit the TT mold for later picks. Personally, I'd like to see TT draft a guy who played both wide receiver and defensive tackle in college - and then move him to quarterback.