Justin Harrell

[Waldo]

No it was known that he did it lifting weights. The JSO and GBPG did a great job of painting Harrell as a fat lazy slob, and that being out of shape is the reason he hurt his back.

I expected the Rock to be shown the door, a serious weight room injury is about as big of a sin as a S&C coach can have, it's one thing to happen to a UDFA guy, but when it happens to a first round pick that there is a lot invested in, that coach had better be special if he's gonna keep his job.

I don't get the JSO/GBPG reasoning. It was the offseason S&C program, the whole point of it is to get guys that have had a few months off of rest, back into football shape. It is pretty much expected that every player shows up to it out of shape. How out of shape can you get in the span of 6 weeks (the amount of time between our last game, and the start of the S&C program)?

Plus what on earth was he doing lifting the amount of weight that can hurt him in the first week of the program. Even if the player wants to, what kind of idiot S&C coach lets him? Testing the limits of their max is not a first week of training thing to do. I'd love to know just how much weight he had on there and the exercise, Justin was known as one of the strongest players to ever play at Tn (this includes Big Al and big John) and an absolute beast in their weight room.

[KYPack]

No it was known that he did it lifting weights. The JSO and GBPG did a great job of painting Harrell as a fat lazy slob, and that being out of shape is the reason he hurt his back.

I expected the Rock to be shown the door, a serious weight room injury is about as big of a sin as a S&C coach can have, it's one thing to happen to a UDFA guy, but when it happens to a first round pick that there is a lot invested in, that coach had better be special if he's gonna keep his job.

I don't get the JSO/GBPG reasoning. It was the off season S&C program, the whole point of it is to get guys that have had a few months off of rest, back into football shape. It is pretty much expected that every player shows up to it out of shape. How out of shape can you get in the span of 6 weeks (the amount of time between our last game, and the start of the S&C program)?

Plus what on earth was he doing lifting the amount of weight that can hurt him in the first week of the program. Even if the player wants to, what kind of idiot S&C coach lets him? Testing the limits of their max is not a first week of training thing to do. I'd love to know just how much weight he had on there and the exercise, Justin was known as one of the strongest players to ever play at Tn (this includes Big Al and big John) and an absolute beast in their weight room.

I also wonder if Rock wasn't the source of the "all Harrell did was eat and showed up to off-season training out of shape" tale. I got the impression that Gullickson tried to cover his tail by leaking the story that the whole deal was Harrell's fault.

A SC coach hurting a guy is ridiculous. I also think MM & TT want to plug all the "leaks".

[Gunakor]

Re: Harrell

It's always nice to "wish" and hope" but there are zero facts to support your opinion. Harrell is a bust plain and simple. He has contributed NOTHING as the 16th pick in the draft

Any way you slice it, that means BUST. Seriously, how many games was he a force at Tenn? Really, what everyone saw was potential. He flashed moments of domination, but in college that's normal. Truth is, he did'nt play enough for any COMPETENT evaluation to be formed. It is the reason the senior year is crucial.

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Once again, Reggie Nelson was sitting there and he was a NEED pick. Had Thompson taken Nelson, we would have had a player who contributed immediately as I believe he was all-rookie in the AFC. Had the clown taken Nelson, we NEVER would have had to play Woodson at saftey and it would'nt be considered by many to be a position of weakness now.

But, I guess that is the difference between our perception of Teddy. I expect perfection out of the GM for the team I worship. I don't accept this hit and miss BS. I expect my GM to make the right moves as often as the Giants GM or the Patriots GM. I will NEVER accept a Jerry Angelo type clone who's wrong more than 50% of the time...........

When did you become a certified professional talent evaluator Packnut? What exactly do you look for when evaluating a player to determine if he'll be able to make the transition from college to the pros? You don't just look at individual plays I'm sure. You have to look at a body of work. Harrell's body of work must have been pretty good, otherwise a keen talent evaluator like Ted Thompson wouldn't have decided he was worth the 16th overall pick - and a keen talent evaluator like Mike Shanahan wouldn't have clearly stated that he was worth the 17th overall pick should we have taken someone else. These guys get paid to know more than you do.

If you think you know more than they do, send in your resume. Those are good paying jobs, which is good for you, and we fans are always looking for better evaluators of talent for our football team. We'd love to have you on board, as long as you know exactly what you are looking at. But you better know exactly what you are looking at, because the guy you'd be replacing is pretty good himself, and I'd hate to see this team take a step backwards.

I expect perfection out of the GM for the team I worship.

You can't grade a GM on perfection. The best of them out there miss on draft picks. Even the Giants and the Patriots. If you expect perfection, there isn't one single quality GM out there. Nor has there ever been. In history. Nobody is perfect.

Try to temper your expectations a bit, realize that we aren't going to win the Super Bowl every year and that not everything that happens to a football team either good or bad is the GM's fault. I mean, if the Packers finish 8-8 next season it is automatically Thompson's fault, right? So who's fault is it if the Packers finish 13-3 and host another NFC Championship game? I'm quite certain you'll find someone else to give the credit to. Yeah, that much I'm sure of.

[packers04]

Justin Harrell is very strong, but hell the guy hasnt really participated in an offseason workout program since he's been here... in the times hes played, he wouldnt had looked very strong. He hasnt been able to train at all! Heck i could be very strong, but if i never was able to work out I wouldnt look very strong. thats for sure.

I just hope he can go through this offseason without any chronic lingering pains from his back injury.
Im still holding out hope for him.

[wist43]

This is the most recent thing that I've seen:

Harrell, who missed most of last season with a back injury suffered while lifting weights, isn't cleared to do everything but has not been slowed by pain. His true test won't come until he practices in pads.

"He's got a smile on his face," McCarthy said. "He's pain-free so far. You could probably point to training camp for most of these guys."

M*A*S*H Report

I was pain free and smiling at 9:00 this morning... now my back hurts

[rbaloha1]

IMO JH does not equal Jamal Reynolds. JH flashed enough power and explosion to be a very good 3-4 de.

Expect JH to play well this season.

[mission]

This is the most recent thing that I've seen:

Harrell, who missed most of last season with a back injury suffered while lifting weights, isn't cleared to do everything but has not been slowed by pain. His true test won't come until he practices in pads.

"He's got a smile on his face," McCarthy said. "He's pain-free so far. You could probably point to training camp for most of these guys."

M*A*S*H Report

I was pain free and smiling at 9:00 this morning...

Same here, but she had to work at 10. Now I'm not on my back and definitely not smiling. :P

As for Harrell, I think we might see somethin this year. A lil something... who knows, I'm def not a 91 hater. I'm rootin for him.

[Bossman641]

Re: Harrell

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Adrian Peterson

[Waldo]

Re: Harrell

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Adrian Peterson

Justin was not an underclassman, sorry.

Your boy Reggie was. Collins is better than Reggie anyway and the exact same type of player.

[Guiness]

Plus what on earth was he doing lifting the amount of weight that can hurt him in the first week of the program. Even if the player wants to, what kind of idiot S&C coach lets him? Testing the limits of their max is not a first week of training thing to do. I'd love to know just how much weight he had on there and the exercise, Justin was known as one of the strongest players to ever play at Tn (this includes Big Al and big John) and an absolute beast in their weight room.

You're making an assumption about Rock here as well - on the scale of the assumption that JH harmed himself because he was fat and out of shape.

We don't know the nature of the injury Who know how much weight he was lifting? Same as the press took what little info they had about JH's injury 'that it occured in the weight room' and floated all kind of stuff, saying the injury occured while he was doing a max lift, or was due to RG and his training methods, and led to RG's firing is all guesswork. Your feeling that this contributed to his firing may well be correct, but are purely conjecture.

All kinds of stuff can happen in a gym. Worst injury I ever had was on a military press bench. Did a set, was resting before my next one...turned to see my spotter as he was adding weight for me, and something 'twinged' in my upper back. It was a pull/strain/cramp or something, hurt like hell, and still bothers me now, years later. What was I lifting at the time of the injury? Nothing.

[cheesner]

Re: Harrell

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Adrian Peterson

Justin was not an underclassman, sorry.

Your boy Reggie was. Collins is better than Reggie anyway and the exact same type of player.

Classic!

Being critical of TT for breaking 2 imaginary rules when TT only broke one and his solution actually breaks the same rule he just accused TT of breaking.


Regardless, Packnut is worthless as a GM because he did not achieve prefection on his draft pick, Reggie Nelson, anyway. The funny thing is, even using hindsight, he has failed.


Actually, TT should have traded down to somewhere before #28 (TT said there were several teams looking to trade up - Denver admitted contacting TT) and picking up another 2nd and giving up a 4th and a 5th (used on Barber and David Clowney - 2 players we would not have missed at this point).

With the 28th pick he could have traded with SF for SF first pick in 08 and their 4th (same deal they gave NE).

Pick #9 in 2008: Ryan Clady, a dominating OT in the ZBS.
2nd (60ish) : Marcus McCauley to strengthen our secondary
4th (#132ish) : Antrwan Barnes - probably could have gotten Barber back anyway, but I will go with the promising LB for the Ravens

There. Your plan you got a decent safety who doesn't represent an upgrade. I got a Probowl OT - at a position of need as well as 2 promising role players who have high ceilings.

Dang! Second guessing with hindsight is fun.

Bossman - Sometimes the best arguements are so simple. Good post.

[Partial]

Adrian Peterson didn't have an injury back to high school imo.

[Fritz]

Adrian Peterson didn't have an injury back to high school imo.

Here's the quote: "Peterson has had three major injuries since he arrived in Norman:

• A "loose" shoulder, an injury that initially occurred in high school..."

Here's the link:

http://newsok.com/article/2961310/

I feel like Patler!

[Patler]

Re: Harrell

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Adrian Peterson

Justin was not an underclassman, sorry.

Your boy Reggie was. Collins is better than Reggie anyway and the exact same type of player.

Not only was Harrell not an underclassman, he was a 5th year senior having redshirted his first year college and having played four seasons thereafter.

[Patler]

Adrian Peterson didn't have an injury back to high school imo.

Here's the quote: "Peterson has had three major injuries since he arrived in Norman:

• A "loose" shoulder, an injury that initially occurred in high school..."

Here's the link:

http://newsok.com/article/2961310/

I feel like Patler!