Justin Harrell

[bobblehead]

Re: Harrell

It's always nice to "wish" and hope" but there are zero facts to support your opinion. Harrell is a bust plain and simple. He has contributed NOTHING as the 16th pick in the draft

Any way you slice it, that means BUST. Seriously, how many games was he a force at Tenn? Really, what everyone saw was potential. He flashed moments of domination, but in college that's normal. Truth is, he did'nt play enough for any COMPETENT evaluation to be formed. It is the reason the senior year is crucial.

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Once again, Reggie Nelson was sitting there and he was a NEED pick. Had Thompson taken Nelson, we would have had a player who contributed immediately as I believe he was all-rookie in the AFC. Had the clown taken Nelson, we NEVER would have had to play Woodson at saftey and it would'nt be considered by many to be a position of weakness now.

But, I guess that is the difference between our perception of Teddy. I expect perfection out of the GM for the team I worship. I don't accept this hit and miss BS. I expect my GM to make the right moves as often as the Giants GM or the Patriots GM. I will NEVER accept a Jerry Angelo type clone who's wrong more than 50% of the time...........

guys like nelson come along all the time. Young men with the raw size and athleticism of a Harrell come along much more rarely. You say there is no evidence to support optimism....I would argue there is little evidence to support your level of pessimism either.

At this point I think its more likely he busts than dominates, but the real likelihood is that he develops into a legitimate NFL player, but not what we hoped for. I'm not saying you are wrong for sure, but your shrill negativity is probably ill founded as much as anyone who is being overly optimistic.

[RashanGary]

Re: Harrell

At this point I think its more likely he busts than dominates, but the real likelihood is that he develops into a legitimate NFL player, but not what we hoped for. I'm not saying you are wrong for sure, but your shrill negativity is probably ill founded as much as anyone who is being overly optimistic.

Well said.

Shrill negativity, ha. Great description.

[wist43]

Re: Harrell

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Adrian Peterson

Justin was not an underclassman, sorry.

Your boy Reggie was. Collins is better than Reggie anyway and the exact same type of player.

Classic!

Being critical of TT for breaking 2 imaginary rules when TT only broke one and his solution actually breaks the same rule he just accused TT of breaking.

That sentence made my head hurt

[SnakeLH2006]

Who cares about his back? Harrell seems to be leaking into the category of bust not so much on gameplay (or lack therof as of yet) but on the fact he seems to not have the passion for NFL football. There's ALWAYS something wrong with something with him. I don't care...just play or get off the damn headlines/rostor JH.

Snakey thinks he's a bust till proven otherwise. I'd love to wrong on this one though.

[Fritz]

Snakey, I care about his back. I think that if his back is healthy he can be a good player in this league. If his back is out of whack, then his career is prolly over.

[Pugger]

I'm disappointed Harrell hasn't been able to play but I'm not ready to call him a total bust just yet. Didn't Flannigan bust his knee up early in his career (first TC?)? The Packers were patient with him and he eventually had a nice career once he got better, didn't he?

[bobblehead]

I'm disappointed Harrell hasn't been able to play but I'm not ready to call him a total bust just yet. Didn't Flannigan bust his knee up early in his career (first TC?)? The Packers were patient with him and he eventually had a nice career once he got better, didn't he?

If I recall correctly Flanny had a compound fracture of his shin area that caused nerve damage. I think he had some major surgery and missed 2 full seasons. Thats all from my memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.

[Patler]

I'm disappointed Harrell hasn't been able to play but I'm not ready to call him a total bust just yet. Didn't Flannigan bust his knee up early in his career (first TC?)? The Packers were patient with him and he eventually had a nice career once he got better, didn't he?

If I recall correctly Flanny had a compound fracture of his shin area that caused nerve damage. I think he had some major surgery and missed 2 full seasons. Thats all from my memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.

That's what I remember. He was on IR for two seasons. I think it was the end of his third year before he even played in a game. As I recall, he was on the PUP list to start his third season, then was inactive until the end of the season. It was his 5th season before he really contributed much as a center. Took over as the starter in his 6th year. The Packers traded him once, I think his third season. The trade was negated on his physical with his new team (Cleveland maybe???).

Sometimes it pays to be patient with injured players. Flanagan is a good example, Blackmon is another.

[Joemailman]

Yep, Flanagan is the poster child of why you don't give up on an injury plagued player if you feel he has potential to be outstanding. The one difference between Flanagan and Harrell is that doctors were able to rebuild Flanagan's knee. If Harrell has a chronic back problem, I'm not sure that anything can be done about it. If he can get healthy though, the bust tag put on him could prove to be premature.

[Waldo]

Gilbert......

3rd round pick. Cut in camp because of weight struggles. The Packers picked him up off waivers.

Barely played his rookie year because of weight problems.

2nd year, rotational player for a few games, tore his ACL, out for the rest of the season......

3rd year, managed to get in the starting lineup, but hurt his elbow midseason and landed in the training room......

4th year, started 16 games, we won the super bowl...

[Iron Mike]

I'm disappointed Harrell hasn't been able to play but I'm not ready to call him a total bust just yet. Didn't Flannigan bust his knee up early in his career (first TC?)? The Packers were patient with him and he eventually had a nice career once he got better, didn't he?

If I recall correctly Flanny had a compound fracture of his shin area that caused nerve damage. I think he had some major surgery and missed 2 full seasons. Thats all from my memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.

It happened during a preseason game against Pittsburgh. I was there.

[Patler]

I'm disappointed Harrell hasn't been able to play but I'm not ready to call him a total bust just yet. Didn't Flannigan bust his knee up early in his career (first TC?)? The Packers were patient with him and he eventually had a nice career once he got better, didn't he?

If I recall correctly Flanny had a compound fracture of his shin area that caused nerve damage. I think he had some major surgery and missed 2 full seasons. Thats all from my memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.

It happened during a preseason game against Pittsburgh. I was there.

On a kickoff, wasn't it?

[Iron Mike]

I'm disappointed Harrell hasn't been able to play but I'm not ready to call him a total bust just yet. Didn't Flannigan bust his knee up early in his career (first TC?)? The Packers were patient with him and he eventually had a nice career once he got better, didn't he?

If I recall correctly Flanny had a compound fracture of his shin area that caused nerve damage. I think he had some major surgery and missed 2 full seasons. Thats all from my memory, so correct me if I'm wrong.

It happened during a preseason game against Pittsburgh. I was there.

On a kickoff, wasn't it?

Correct as usual. :P

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Harrell

There are two rules you do not dismiss as a GM. You can get lucky ignoring one or the other but Teddy violated both. He drafted an under-clasman and he drafted an injury riddled player going back to HS.

Adrian Peterson

Justin was not an underclassman, sorry.

Your boy Reggie was. Collins is better than Reggie anyway and the exact same type of player.

Not only was Harrell not an underclassman, he was a 5th year senior having redshirted his first year college and having played four seasons thereafter.

Good times...............

[Carolina_Packer]

I wonder if Harrell got hurt actually playing in a game if his detractors would give him more slack. Perhaps the fact that he got hurt training and not playing hurts him in the eyes of some.