Report: Rex Ryan Didn’t Want Favre

[KYPack]

Yes, Hudson played in a different era, but that gentleman changed the game forever with his play. He held onto scores of individual records that were only broken after many decades and after they added more games to each season. Plus he won a few championships of his own. These reasons are why I think Hudson was the greatest player to ever play for the Pack.

Hutson, Pug.

But thanks for posting that. Don Hutson is one of the NFL's greatest players and might be the greatest Packer ever.

Don and Sammy Baugh are two all-time greats that I fear will fade into the mists of time.

[Packman_26]

I am admittedly not old enough to have seen anybody from the 60's packers teams. I can bet that some of you would have said that Hudson or Starr were better than Favre even 2 years ago. But I just can't help but believe that some of the posters here are letting their anger cloud their judgement. I am certain that this thread would be much different if Favre had stayed retired after the 07 season.
I happen to think that Favre was in the wrong during this whole ordeal, but for someone to call him overrated is ludacris. The man threw more touchdowns and won more MVPS than anyone ever to lace them up.
Call him selfcentered and a liar if you wish. I can even understand washed up. But overrated he certainly is not.

[packers11]

I am admittedly not old enough to have seen anybody from the 60's packers teams. I can bet that some of you would have said that Hudson or Starr were better than Favre even 2 years ago. But I just can't help but believe that some of the posters here are letting their anger cloud their judgement. I am certain that this thread would be much different if Favre had stayed retired after the 07 season.
I happen to think that Favre was in the wrong during this whole ordeal, but for someone to call him overrated is ludacris. The man threw more touchdowns and won more MVPS than anyone ever to lace them up.
Call him selfcentered and a liar if you wish. I can even understand washed up. But overrated he certainly is not.

100% Agree... Although I am only in my 20's and have not seen some of the older players play their game... Favre was on of the best i've ever watched, and I think some of the posters here are still a little bitter on how he left Green Bay...

If Dan Marino can be considered a "all time great" without a Super Bowl ring, and Payton Manning is "one of the best ever" with only 1 ring then Brett Favre belongs right in the top also for what he did not only for this franchise but the NFL...

BF is the best GB packers QB in my opinion... Take a poll in a couple of years when all the emotions have settled and most would agree with me...

[Patler]

I am admittedly not old enough to have seen anybody from the 60's packers teams. I can bet that some of you would have said that Hudson or Starr were better than Favre even 2 years ago. But I just can't help but believe that some of the posters here are letting their anger cloud their judgement. I am certain that this thread would be much different if Favre had stayed retired after the 07 season.
I happen to think that Favre was in the wrong during this whole ordeal, but for someone to call him overrated is ludacris. The man threw more touchdowns and won more MVPS than anyone ever to lace them up.
Call him selfcentered and a liar if you wish. I can even understand washed up. But overrated he certainly is not.

Overrated or not overrated relative to what "rating"?

"Overrated" is probably a term that will be tossed around with discussions of Favre for one simple reason. He accomplished less than many others in terms of playoff success, and quite a few of the playoff departures came with very bad games from Favre. Two SB appearances and just one SB win will not impress people years from now in spite of his individual success. Those who look to playoff success will consider Favre "overrated".

Peyton Manning will hear the same if he wins no more Super Bowls, even if and when he breaks Favre's records.
"Overrated" is often linked to Marino's career as well, for the same reason.

Its the same in other sports, too. A player with tremendous personal achievement, but relatively minor team success is often considered "overrated". Even more so for a QB, who plays a position that influences game outcome more than any other on the football team.

By the way, doesn't Manning have just as many MVPs as Favre???

[Partial]

I am admittedly not old enough to have seen anybody from the 60's packers teams. I can bet that some of you would have said that Hudson or Starr were better than Favre even 2 years ago. But I just can't help but believe that some of the posters here are letting their anger cloud their judgement. I am certain that this thread would be much different if Favre had stayed retired after the 07 season.
I happen to think that Favre was in the wrong during this whole ordeal, but for someone to call him overrated is ludacris. The man threw more touchdowns and won more MVPS than anyone ever to lace them up.
Call him selfcentered and a liar if you wish. I can even understand washed up. But overrated he certainly is not.

100% Agree... Although I am only in my 20's and have not seen some of the older players play their game... Favre was on of the best i've ever watched, and I think some of the posters here are still a little bitter on how he left Green Bay...

If Dan Marino can be considered a "all time great" without a Super Bowl ring, and Payton Manning is "one of the best ever" with only 1 ring then Brett Favre belongs right in the top also for what he did not only for this franchise but the NFL...

BF is the best GB packers QB in my opinion... Take a poll in a couple of years when all the emotions have settled and most would agree with me...

Yep, whole heartedly agree. I think PManning will ultimately better, but he's not as exciting, nor does he have the arm of Favre. Manning is the perfect combination of arm strength, accuracy, and good judgement. He should go down as the smartest quarterback ever.

Despite Favre's interceptions, he's right in line with some of the all-time bests for TD/INT ratio and INTS per pass if I remember correctly. I believe Harvey posted a comprehensive breakdown of this before all this bojive went down.

[Tarlam!]

Favre = overrated.

Not to pick on any one's opinion on who was the best QB in G&G etc (youngins, whom only ever saw #4 can't compare except via stats, old timers might get caught up in nostalgia), but I think this comment from JH is a bit "thin".

Favre single handedly resurrected a franchise gone bad. He himself always stated young QBs shouldn't use his game, techniques or attitude as an example of how to play the position.

There is no questioning his passion and dedication. He was able to bring that passion out of GB fans, an emotion that had been lost in the '70's and '80's. And, he gave the team a chance to win, every game he played in. It was exciting to watch him.

I'm not sure what you or others are actually "rating" when discussing Favre, Nick. I find it very difficult to overrate the guy.

[Patler]

Well, I for one have always preferred Starr. I said so long before Favre retired the first time. Winning championship after championship sure was fun!

In all honesty, in the mid '90s I really expected to relive the fun I had in the '60s as a Packer fan. I expected S.B. appearances to be common, with multiple Lombardi trophies coming to Green Bay. I expected the Packers led by Favre to do what the Steelers, Cowboys and 49ers had, and what the Patriots have done since.

I blame many things for the Packers failure to accomplish more during Favre's career. One thing I blame is Favre himself. Maybe it isn't fair, but I am a fan, I don't have to be fair!

[Patler]

Favre single handedly resurrected a franchise gone bad. He himself always stated young QBs shouldn't use his game, techniques or attitude as an example of how to play the position.

Not to diminish the excitement that Favre brought to the team, but many will say the excitement returned with Majikowski. He was Favre before Favre. A guy that made plays out of nothing. Favre was certainly better, but a lot of excitement returned with Majik.

[Waldo]

I am admittedly not old enough to have seen anybody from the 60's packers teams. I can bet that some of you would have said that Hudson or Starr were better than Favre even 2 years ago. But I just can't help but believe that some of the posters here are letting their anger cloud their judgement. I am certain that this thread would be much different if Favre had stayed retired after the 07 season.
I happen to think that Favre was in the wrong during this whole ordeal, but for someone to call him overrated is ludacris. The man threw more touchdowns and won more MVPS than anyone ever to lace them up.
Call him selfcentered and a liar if you wish. I can even understand washed up. But overrated he certainly is not.

Overrated or not overrated relative to what "rating"?

"Overrated" is probably a term that will be tossed around with discussions of Favre for one simple reason. He accomplished less than many others in terms of playoff success, and quite a few of the playoff departures came with very bad games from Favre. Two SB appearances and just one SB win will not impress people years from now in spite of his individual success. Those who look to playoff success will consider Favre "overrated".

Peyton Manning will hear the same if he wins no more Super Bowls, even if and when he breaks Favre's records.
"Overrated" is often linked to Marino's career as well, for the same reason.

Its the same in other sports, too. A player with tremendous personal achievement, but relatively minor team success is often considered "overrated". Even more so for a QB, who plays a position that influences game outcome more than any other on the football team.

By the way, doesn't Manning have just as many MVPs as Favre???

Same with Jim Brown and Johnny Unitas.

It is only the technicality, that the AP MVP didn't exist back then, someone else gave the award and called it something else (Player of the year I believe), but it was still the prestigious award given to the best football player.

Packer fans have been fed a lie and believed it for more than a decade, that Brett Favre was the only 3 time MVP, while this is technically correct in the way it was framed, he was not the only player to be acknowledged as the best player in the NFL via award on 3 separate occasions, and the award being the one recognized as signifying the best player for the season. Brown and Unitas won that honor as well.

Don Hutson won 2 MVP's, and he is the only WR to ever win the recognized MVP (Rice won one as well, but it was not an AP MVP, and the AP MVP existed at the time).

[Patler]

By the way, doesn't Manning have just as many MVPs as Favre???

Same with Jim Brown and Johnny Unitas.

It is only the technicality, that the AP MVP didn't exist back then, someone else gave the award and called it something else (Player of the year I believe), but it was still the prestigious award given to the best football player.

Packer fans have been fed a lie and believed it for more than a decade, that Brett Favre was the only 3 time MVP, while this is technically correct in the way it was framed, he was not the only player to be acknowledged as the best player in the NFL via award on 3 separate occasions, and the award being the one recognized as signifying the best player for the season. Brown and Unitas won that honor as well.

Yup, and now it is being modified to "the only player to win three consecutive MVPs", thereby excluding Manning. I'm too lazy tonight to see if Unitas or Brown won consecutive ones or not, and I personally do not remember.

[Waldo]

By the way, doesn't Manning have just as many MVPs as Favre???

Same with Jim Brown and Johnny Unitas.

It is only the technicality, that the AP MVP didn't exist back then, someone else gave the award and called it something else (Player of the year I believe), but it was still the prestigious award given to the best football player.

Packer fans have been fed a lie and believed it for more than a decade, that Brett Favre was the only 3 time MVP, while this is technically correct in the way it was framed, he was not the only player to be acknowledged as the best player in the NFL via award on 3 separate occasions, and the award being the one recognized as signifying the best player for the season. Brown and Unitas won that honor as well.

Yup, and now it is being modified to "the only player to win three consecutive MVPs", thereby excluding Manning. I'm too lazy tonight to see if Unitas or Brown won consecutive ones or not, and I personally do not remember.

No, they did not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

[Pugger]

Yes, Hudson played in a different era, but that gentleman changed the game forever with his play. He held onto scores of individual records that were only broken after many decades and after they added more games to each season. Plus he won a few championships of his own. These reasons are why I think Hudson was the greatest player to ever play for the Pack.

Hutson, Pug.

But thanks for posting that. Don Hutson is one of the NFL's greatest players and might be the greatest Packer ever.

Don and Sammy Baugh are two all-time greats that I fear will fade into the mists of time.

Opps!! My bad!!!

[Pugger]

Well, I for one have always preferred Starr. I said so long before Favre retired the first time. Winning championship after championship sure was fun!

In all honesty, in the mid '90s I really expected to relive the fun I had in the '60s as a Packer fan. I expected S.B. appearances to be common, with multiple Lombardi trophies coming to Green Bay. I expected the Packers led by Favre to do what the Steelers, Cowboys and 49ers had, and what the Patriots have done since.

I blame many things for the Packers failure to accomplish more during Favre's career. One thing I blame is Favre himself. Maybe it isn't fair, but I am a fan, I don't have to be fair!

But Starr and most other QBs who won multiple SBs had stability at the HC spot. Favre had mediocre HCs after Holgrem left for Seattle. Favre didn't help himself with stupid INTs but he was the type of player who needed a HC who is good with QBs and his play didn't improve until TT brought in MM. Rhodes and Shermy were not the type of coaches a player like Brett needed to bring out the best in him!

[Waldo]

Blame everything but Favre for Favre not playing great.

[Pugger]

Blame everything but Favre for Favre not playing great.

That's not what I meant. Favre was responsible for not playing great but all players - even the good ones - need direction and coaching. It was no coincidence that Favre's play improved when he had a strong HC who would actually hold him responsible for his boneheaded plays.