Rodgers/Cutler statistical comparison, head to head

[Fritz]

Rodgers is a good QB, and may be great one day. But in no way after only one year starting is he or can he be compared to a QB that has been very good the past 3 years, and had a running game that only rushed for 100 yards TWICE last year and yet still put up those numbers even when everyone was dropping back to defend the past.
Yes he threw for more INT's, but he threw many more passes.

Yet Denver averaged 116 yards rushing per game, while the Packers averaged 112.
Denver averaged 4.8yds/carry, the Packers averaged 4.1.

Which QB really had the support of a better running game???

In this fight of Patler vs. The Bear Troll, I have Patler well ahead on my card. One more knockdown like this and the ref will have to call it.

"DaBaddest Bear is staggering! Blood is streaming down his face; his right eye is swollen shut! He's looking wobbly on his feet - I'm surprised the referee hasn't stepped in already. One more blow and -

Ohh! Down goes Dabear! Down goes Dabear! Down goes Dabear!"

I assume you meant to type

BEAR DOWN! BEAR DOWN!

Nope. I was making reference to Howard Cosell's famous Ali/Frazier fight call: "Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazer! Down goes Frazier!"

[Dabaddestbear]

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I agree with Patler; I think they are very comparable. I think those who think AROD is undoubtedly better...and there seem to be a lot.....are homers. I also this those who think Cutler is hands down the better QB are nuts as well. If you'd ask fans with some football knowledge with no bias either way who they would want at QB, I'd bet more would say Cutler

.....A lot the talking heads in the media seem to think Rodgers is the better QB with out question.

You know better. IN my other post I showed articles from all major sports websites that say just the opposite. The only talkoing heads that said that stupid crap was the two idiots that none of you like on ESPN until now when they seem to have an obvious bias against Cutler. I already provided proof of this.

Rodgers is a good QB, and may be great one day. But in no way after only one year starting is he or can he be compared to a QB that has been very good the past 3 years, and had a running game that only rushed for 100 yards TWICE last year and yet still put up those numbers even when everyone was dropping back to defend the past.
Yes he threw for more INT's, but he threw many more passes.

i just thought this was funny as hell coming from you Baddest... with all the discussions about BF last offseason, now its ok to throw INTs if you throw more passes... hmmmm...

Come on man, he does not toss INT's like good ole boy Brett..lol.
In comparison on MIke and Mike they pointed out that he threw a INT every 33rd pass (I think) in comparison to Brett tossing one every 25 passes!. They said he only threw 4 in the 4th quarter and was 3rd in the NFL in 3rd down efficiency when converting first downs. They pointed out that his INT's was in the middle range for QB's in the NFL not real bad or real good. I know one mentionable QB that threw more INT's per attempt was Big Ben.

[Spaulding]

I'm slow on the draw, does this mean that Rex is no longer the "chosen" one for the Bears?



Cutler's a fine addition (came at obviously a high cost but could elevate the team on a consistent basis and keep them in any game) but his baggage leaves a little to be desired.

Hard to say if the he said/he said drama really is his fault or the Broncos organization.

If they can lock him up with an extension I think given the fact that they are getting a pro-bowl QB in their prime is well worth the price.

Would I take him over Rodgers, admittedly I'm a homer and thus since I consider last years performance a wash between the two, I'd give the slight nod to Rodgers with hope that continues to evolve and the comparison becomes clear cut in his favor.

On a side note, Mike and Mike in the morning had Ditka on the show and he gave his thumbs up to the trade (then again he did trade the house for Ricky and look how that turned out).

The Build-A-Bearnation looks to be coming out of hibernation and should make for an interesting year.

[Waldo]

To add to this, some effectiveness stats:
Sacks are included as attempts, sack yards are included as negative passing yards.

I added the league MVP (Manning) and Orton to compare, and first half '08, last half '08 for Rodgers to show his change over the season:

YPA:
2008 Manning - 6.88
2008 Rodgers - 6.68
2008 Orton - 5.72
2008 Cutler - 7.11
2007 Cutler - 6.77
2006 Cutler - 6.11
2008a ARod - 6.73
2008b ARod - 6.63

TDPA (%):
2008 Manning - 4.7
2008 Rodgers - 4.9
2008 Orton - 3.7
2008 Cutler - 4.0
2007 Cutler - 4.0
2006 Cutler - 6.0
2008a ARod - 4.7
2008b ARod - 5.2

IntPA (%):
2008 Manning - 2.1
2008 Rodgers - 2.3
2008 Orton - 2.4
2008 Cutler - 2.9
2007 Cutler - 2.8
2006 Cutler - 3.3
2008a ARod - 1.8
2008b ARod - 2.7

SackPA (%):
2008 Manning - 2.5
2008 Rodgers - 6.0
2008 Orton - 5.5
2008 Cutler - 1.8
2007 Cutler - 5.5
2006 Cutler - 8.7
2008a ARod - 6.1
2008b ARod - 5.8

AdjComp%:
2008 Manning - 65.2
2008 Rodgers - 59.8
2008 Orton - 55.3
2008 Cutler - 61.2
2007 Cutler - 60.1
2006 Cutler - 54.0
2008a ARod - 59.9
2008b ARod - 59.8

I don't think you're gonna see the Bears score at an increased rate, Cutler really isn't any better at throwing TD's than Orton is, however he can move the ball a little better, but throws more int's and takes a lot less sacks.

You can see AR took less sacks per attempt (even losing Taush) in the second half of the year, and both his TD rate and int rate went up, while he still completed roughly the same % of his dropbacks, and his YPA declined slightly.

[pbmax]

Come on man, he does not toss INT's like good ole boy Brett..lol.
In comparison on MIke and Mike they pointed out that he threw a INT every 33rd pass (I think) in comparison to Brett tossing one every 25 passes!. They said he only threw 4 in the 4th quarter and was 3rd in the NFL in 3rd down efficiency when converting first downs. They pointed out that his INT's was in the middle range for QB's in the NFL not real bad or real good. I know one mentionable QB that threw more INT's per attempt was Big Ben.

You're being a good sport DBB, so first off, kudos to you and congratulations to the Bears.

But on the INT rate, Favre's career number is 3.3% compared to Cutler's 3.0%. That sounds close, but not exact, to the numbers you mention from M&M. But both are below average in today's NFL. Compared to passers from the 60s and 70s, those numbers look Hall Of Fame, but since the passing rules changed in '78, those rates are both below average.

My question is: Since the Bears and Packers historically have not been good at the same time, who is headed down?

[Lurker64]

If you'd ask fans with some football knowledge with no bias either way who they would want at QB, I'd bet more would say Cutler

I think a lot of that may have to do with the fact that unbiased fans can still be affected by the biases of others. Cutler has received a lot more positive coverage from the national media, both because he's not trying to fill the shoes of a legend and because he has significantly more starts and they don't talk about you so much while you're warming a bench. The sheer level of acrimony in the Favre drama (let's not talk about it here, please) lead to a lot of people being a lot more critical of Rodgers than they would have been otherwise. The "Benching Jake Plummer" saga was much less dramatic.

[Patler]

Now lets look at another comparison, Rodgers first year as a starter in 2008 to Cutler's first full year as a starter in 2007. Keep in mind that Cutler started the last 5 games of 2006, so 2007 includes his 6th through 21st starts as a pro:

Category - Rodgers'08/Cutler '07

attempts - 536/467
completions - 341/297
comp. % - 63.6%/63.6
total yards - 4038/3497
yds/att. - 7.5/7.5
touchdowns - 28/20
interceptions - 13/14
sacks - 34/27
sack yds - 231/153
passer rating - 93.8/88.1
carries - 56/44
rush yds - 207/205

Things become even closer, including sacks and interceptions.

[Dabaddestbear]

Come on man, he does not toss INT's like good ole boy Brett..lol.
In comparison on MIke and Mike they pointed out that he threw a INT every 33rd pass (I think) in comparison to Brett tossing one every 25 passes!. They said he only threw 4 in the 4th quarter and was 3rd in the NFL in 3rd down efficiency when converting first downs. They pointed out that his INT's was in the middle range for QB's in the NFL not real bad or real good. I know one mentionable QB that threw more INT's per attempt was Big Ben.

You're being a good sport DBB, so first off, kudos to you and congratulations to the Bears.

But on the INT rate, Favre's career number is 3.3% compared to Cutler's 3.0%. That sounds close, but not exact, to the numbers you mention from M&M. But both are below average in today's NFL. Compared to passers from the 60s and 70s, those numbers look Hall Of Fame, but since the passing rules changed in '78, those rates are both below average.

My question is: Since the Bears and Packers historically have not been good at the same time, who is headed down?

To be honest, I hate to say it, but I think you guys will be good also. JUst not as good as the Bears.

I have said this many times, but this year the NFC North overall may be the division other teams would prefer not play. We all seem pretty solid going into this year, and that is with still many more moves yet to be made after preseason cuts, and draft. It can only get better, unless one of our teams make a real stupid trade gutting star players.

[RashanGary]

Raw Talent:

Rodgers < Cutler (bigger arm)




Better football player over course of career:

Cutler < Rodgers (hard worker, mature, good person, good teammate, easy to get along with, good leader, coach on the field, football savvy and has a whole hell of a lot of physical talent).

Just my guess.


The Bears got better and they got better right now. They'll start to miss those picks over the next 6-10 years, but for right now and next year, they got a lot better. I agree with baddest, the NFCN is legit with the Packers, Bears and Vikings (in no particular order). If the Lions even get to the 4-6 win category, this will be one of the strongest overall divisions in football.

[Waldo]

Bigger arm =/= raw talent.

Accuracy is something there is no stat to describe, yet it is just as important as arm strength when evaluating raw talent. Pennington may have a noodle, but it's a darn accurate noodle.

Aaron's arm isn't weak, it's above average but not a cannon, but his ball placement, and consistency of ball placement, is very good, and has been his whole career going back to college. Aaron doesn't misfire hardly at all.

[RashanGary]

Cutler is very accurate too.


Rodgers is more stable and a better leader though. Rodgers has more than enough raw talent and I agree, is very accurate. Cutler might be one of the top 3 pure passers in the game right now after Brady and Peyton Manning.

I have zero problem with Rodgers though. Rodgers has a championship style about him. I have a good feeling he is going to win one or two SB's in his career.

[LL2]

Cutler is very accurate too.


Rodgers is more stable and a better leader though. Rodgers has more than enough raw talent and I agree, is very accurate. Cutler might be one of the top 3 pure passers in the game right now after Brady and Peyton Manning.

I have zero problem with Rodgers though. Rodgers has a championship style about him. I have a good feeling he is going to win one or two SB's in his career.

I'd love that!

[Merlin]

I wouldn't trade Rodgers for Cutler. I don't think Cutler is that great to be all honest. Denver is a big rushing team and obviously we are to date, not. Without a good running game Cutler would look like Alex Smith. The Bears do have a running game, now if they get some WR's then they will have a good offense for a change.

[Dabaddestbear]

I wouldn't trade Rodgers for Cutler. I don't think Cutler is that great to be all honest. Denver is a big rushing team and obviously we are to date, not. Without a good running game Cutler would look like Alex Smith. The Bears do have a running game, now if they get some WR's then they will have a good offense for a change.

I see some bitter rival fans just say anything to be get a post in..lol.
Denver is a big rushing team? THEY ONLY HAD TWO GAMES LAST SEASON IN WHICH THE BRONCOS RUSHED FOR 100 YARDS.

And to follow that up you say, without a running game Cutler would look like Alex Smith? Umm, the Bears have a much better running game than the Broncos do, so what does that say now?
Ok, what happened to the logical Packer fans I was chatting with earlier. I miss them already.

[BEARMAN]

One thing not mentioned is that Cutler is coming off a Pro Bowl year ! Three years as a Starter and only 25 years old. Look Out, Da BEARS are coming and they are HUNGERY !