Orton vs. Rodgers vs. Cutler

[Joemailman]

In 2008, Kyle Orton threw 18 TD passes on 465 attempts for a TD% of 3.9 while throwing to an average at best group of WR's. He'll now be throwing to Brandon Marshall and Royal.

In 2008, Cutler threw 25 TD passes on 616 attempts for a TD% of 4.1 while throwing to Brandon Marshall and Royal. He'll now be throwing to Devin Hester and company.

In 2008, Rodgers threw 28 TD passes on 536 attempts for a TD% of 5.2 while throwing to Jennings and Driver. He'll be throwing to the same guys.

Which of these 3 will have the most TD passes in 2009?

[hoosier]

I voted Arod in large part because the Packers offense is pass-first and the Bears have historically been run-first. That will change somewhat, but I don't expect Cutler to throw as many times as he did last year, and probably not as many times as Arod. While I would rate them as about equal right now, I also have a hunch that Arod will turn out to be the better overall QB and team leader in the long run.

[BF4MVP]

Rodgers thew more TD passes than Cutler when Cutler was throwing to Marshall and Royal. Rodgers will have more TD passes than Cutler while Cutler is throwing to the Bears' running backs and tight ends.

[gbpackfan]

A-Rod no doubt. People are making too big of a deal about Cutler. He's a solid QB but good Lord, he isn't the second coming of Brett Favre. He's a punk kid who will get eaten alive behind that crappy O line. The feast will start Sept. 13th!

[Bretsky]

AROD no doubt

And that doesn't mean he is better than Cutler

I think if Orton starts a good poll would be Cutler or Orton due to offensive talent

[sheepshead]

Orton wont be a starter, Simms will be so he's out.

[RashanGary]

AROD no doubt

And that doesn't mean he is better than Cutler

I think if Orton starts a good poll would be Cutler or Orton due to offensive talent

Brett's whole career he made the whole offense go, and now that he's gone, the offense is so great that they are carrying Rodgers.

It just shows that no matter what Rodgers does, some will never give him credit for what he does.

Brett's name was never brought up in the "best ever" arguement when he retired (like Elway, Montana and now Brady have been), so he's not completely overrated. Within Packer nation though, he is.

[wist43]

I still don't trust that ARod can stay upright... he did it for one season, and nobody was more shocked than I was that he actually performed fairly well - his inability to close games out notwithstanding.

Still, ARod looks like he could be okay... don't see a SB in our future though.

Cutler may be in a better situation long term, assuming he grows up... Chicago has a defensive mentality, and while they were junk on defense last year, I'm sure they will address it.

In short, Cutler doesn't have to be as good as Rodgers... Chicago will look to run first, and play solid D; GB puts everything on their QB.

[Lurker64]

In short, Cutler doesn't have to be as good as Rodgers... Chicago will look to run first, and play solid D; GB puts everything on their QB.

But the question at hand is "who's going to throw more TD passes" not "who's going to do the best because of the solid running game and defense".

Simply because Green Bay is a pass-first mentality, while the Bears are a running team, and that Rodgers's targets are a lot better than Cutler's this year, there really should be no contest.

[wist43]

In short, Cutler doesn't have to be as good as Rodgers... Chicago will look to run first, and play solid D; GB puts everything on their QB.

But the question at hand is "who's going to throw more TD passes" not "who's going to do the best because of the solid running game and defense".

Simply because Green Bay is a pass-first mentality, while the Bears are a running team, and that Rodgers's targets are a lot better than Cutler's this year, there really should be no contest.

IF Rodgers stays healthy, I'd imagine Rodgers... to answer the question

[Partial]

AROD no doubt

And that doesn't mean he is better than Cutler

I think if Orton starts a good poll would be Cutler or Orton due to offensive talent

Brett's whole career he made the whole offense go, and now that he's gone, the offense is so great that they are carrying Rodgers.

It just shows that no matter what Rodgers does, some will never give him credit for what he does.

Brett's name was never brought up in the "best ever" arguement when he retired (like Elway, Montana and now Brady have been), so he's not completely overrated. Within Packer nation though, he is.

Are you kidding me? The offense is 2007 was MUCH more potent than 2008, despite the same players at virtually every position outside of QB. Most of them were young players expected to take a huge step forward!!

You tell me, big guy.

Rodgers is starting his tenure off with the most talented Packers receiver since SS, and probably the best, deepest receiving corps the Packers have fielded since FA began.

They have a running back who has shown that he can be the real deal as he was very good in 2007.

We have a very good tight end who has shown that he can be a game breaker -- when given the opportunity. He was a huge part of the offense in 2007 that the coaching staff elected to ignore in 2008 -- probably because they didn't trust Rodgers with risky throws over the middle of the field

In 2007, Favre had a dynamite roster around him, and the results were very evident in his legendary, mvp-in-any-normal-nfl-year performance.

In 2008, with every player being the same outside of the QB, they went from SPECIAL to second class.

Oh, and Brett's name is definitely with the best ever. You're a blind hater. This post is looney.

Coming in 1st 3 times for MVP and 2nd a 4th is just insane. The only other player to even come close is Peyton. Is Peyton overrated?!? He only has one ring too. And nearly identical playoff statistics and success as Brett. Go figure. Take your BS elsewhere.

[Lurker64]

Considering that, on a per snap basis, Backup QBs replacing injured starters get injured dramatically more often than starting QBs, and that Rodgers did manage to play through the pain of a partially separated shoulder for much of the year I wonder at what point we'll start considering that Rodgers's "fragile" reputation may, in fact, be undeserved.

[BZnDallas]

I still don't trust that ARod can stay upright... he did it for one season, and nobody was more shocked than I was that he actually performed fairly well - his inability to close games out notwithstanding.

Still, ARod looks like he could be okay... don't see a SB in our future though.

Cutler may be in a better situation long term, assuming he grows up... Chicago has a defensive mentality, and while they were junk on defense last year, I'm sure they will address it.

In short, Cutler doesn't have to be as good as Rodgers... Chicago will look to run first, and play solid D; GB puts everything on their QB.

It has been well noted that AR didn't do well with 4th quarter comebacks last year... and i would agree up to a point... but 'CAN I GET A WITNESS?':

Week 9 vs. Tennessee, GB down 16-13 AR leads GB down the field to tie the game with 5:30 remaining in the 4th qtr(TN wins in OT)

Week 10 vs. Minnesota, GB down 28-27 with 2:22 remaining in the 4th qtr. (after GBs defense just gave up 69 yards on 7plays for a TD) AR takes GB down the field for a 52 yard fg attempt that goes wide right with seconds left

Week 13 vs. Carolina, GB tied 28-28 and with 1:57 left in the 4th qtr GB kicker Mason Crosby kicks field goal to take a 31-28 lead (offensive series lead by one AR) only to lose the game 27 seconds later on a td run by deangelo williams

Week 14 vs. Houston, GB down 21-14 AR leads a TD scoring drive and hits Jordy Nelson for a game tieing TD with 5:56 remaining in 4th qtr (GB loses on a 40 yard field goal by Kris Brown with 0:00)

Week 15 vs. Jacksonville, GB down 14-13 AR leads the team on a FG scoring drive to take a 16-14 lead in the 4th qtr (GB loses 21-16 on a jones-drew td with under 2 mins left)


now there are 5 instances where AR lead his team in the 4th quarter and put them in a position to win or not lose... doesn't matter if the defense gives it up, or the kicker misses an indoor field goal, or whatever, AR gets the blame for blowing it... i find this somewhat commical... but thats just one mans opinion...

[BZnDallas]

sorry wist... not trying to point the finger at you, just using ur quote as a basis for my research...

[wist43]

Thats kind of the point about Rodgers... he not only has to do more, he has to do it all. Can't count on the defense and ST's at all. Cutler won't be asked to win games in the same way.

The GBP put everything on their QB... even if Rodgers is better than Cutler, he's going to have to be. Green Bay isn't going to beat anybody with defense, except maybe Detroit.

Luckily, or unluckily , everyone in the division is so flawed that none of them really has a legit shot at the SB... if Chicago can rebuild their D in the next couple of years, I'd give them a better shot moving forward than GB, simply b/c I have zero faith that the Packers can build a championship calibur defense.