NFL Networks Draft Analysis the Pack

[Bretsky]

They are doing detailed analysis of each team and they recently covered the Pack. They have a panel that looks at the team along with a former GM in Charlie Casserly.

What was interesting is they analyzed Green Bay and found their two main weaknesses at OT and OLB. And they based their predications purely off of need. TTT,in the past, has often stated he'd go Best Player Available, but their predictions seemed to ignore this fact.

Most of them have Green Bay taking a OT in round one and a OLB in round two.

Ealier some were predicting Andre Smith, and talented dude with character concerns.

Now today they predicted the Pack would take the 4th best OT in Michael Oher

Then predicted GB would address it's OLB weakness with Larry English in round two


They seem pretty sure Raji and Orakpo will be gone when Green Bay Drafts. They are also predicting Michael Crabtree is the guy who will fall into the 10-15 range. They all think he's the most talented WR, but apparently there are questions about his character as well.

[TheCheese]

Re: NFL Networks Draft Analysis the Pack

They are doing detailed analysis of each team and they recently covered the Pack. They have a panel that looks at the team along with a former GM in Charlie Casserly.

What was interesting is they analyzed Green Bay and found their two main weaknesses at OT and OLB. And they based their predications purely off of need. TTT,in the past, has often stated he'd go Best Player Available, but their predictions seemed to ignore this fact.

Most of them have Green Bay taking a OT in round one and a OLB in round two.

Ealier some were predicting Andre Smith, and talented dude with character concerns.

Now today they predicted the Pack would take the 4th best OT in Michael Oher

Then predicted GB would address it's OLB weakness with Larry English in round two


They seem pretty sure Raji and Orakpo will be gone when Green Bay Drafts. They are also predicting Michael Crabtree is the guy who will fall into the 10-15 range. They all think he's the most talented WR, but apparently there are questions about his character as well.

That would be fricking awesome if he was there for our second round pick. Very unlikely though.

[Bretsky]

Re: NFL Networks Draft Analysis the Pack

They are doing detailed analysis of each team and they recently covered the Pack. They have a panel that looks at the team along with a former GM in Charlie Casserly.

What was interesting is they analyzed Green Bay and found their two main weaknesses at OT and OLB. And they based their predications purely off of need. TTT,in the past, has often stated he'd go Best Player Available, but their predictions seemed to ignore this fact.

Most of them have Green Bay taking a OT in round one and a OLB in round two.

Ealier some were predicting Andre Smith, and talented dude with character concerns.

Now today they predicted the Pack would take the 4th best OT in Michael Oher

Then predicted GB would address it's OLB weakness with Larry English in round two


They seem pretty sure Raji and Orakpo will be gone when Green Bay Drafts. They are also predicting Michael Crabtree is the guy who will fall into the 10-15 range. They all think he's the most talented WR, but apparently there are questions about his character as well.

That would be fricking awesome if he was there for our second round pick. Very unlikely though.

I was thinking the same thing

They noted there will be an abundance of good OLB's in round two available

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, at least that's better than stupidly taking an OLB in the first round.

Either Smith or Monroe would be great picks, Oher not so much. I think Andre Smith falls to the Packers, and Thompson takes him. That's my prediction. If not that, Crabtree; If not that, Malcolm Jenkins.

Ideally, Thompson has the good sense not to pick an OLB in the second round either. Maybe we get a NT with that pick.

[red]

i want to know what the knock is on oher. he's either a love him or hate him type of guy

personaly i'd be find with andre smith or oher in the first, and english or clint sintim in the second. the tackle can play right tackle this year and take over for clifton next year or soon after.

if that were to happen, i'd say it was a pretty good first day

[Lurker64]

I can't see Thompson taking Andre Smith over Oher. Oher beats Smith in all the major athleticism categories that Thompson apparently uses to judge OL in:

Short Shuttle
Oher: 4.60
Smith: 4.93

3 Cone
Oher: 7.59
Smith: 7.86

When you consider that Thompson has never drafted any OL with a Short Shuttle worse than 4.6 and a 3 cone worse than 7.6, I can't imagine Smith is very high on his board at all. Oher is almost certainly above A. Smith on Thompson's board, particularly since Oher's strength is pass blocking while Smith's strength is run blocking.

Smith has long arms and a nasty demeanor (which Thompson likes) but I don't think he's nearly athletic enough to play OT for us, while Oher is and Oher also plays nasty and has long arms. Plus, it's not as though it's clear cut that Oher is the #4 OT and Smith is the #3, quite a few analysts have Oher at #3 and Smith at #4.

[wist43]

English won't be there in the 2nd... and I agree that our two biggest "needs" are OLB and OT.

That said, we have needs all over the place... OT, LB, CB, entire DL. I wouldn't mind Crabtree or Maclin. I don't see us contending for a SB for quite a while, so BPA actually works for me this year,

[bobblehead]

I think I'll be the only happy packer fan if we get Oher. He is mega talented and probably worth the reach. I'd rather have A.Smith, but most have him going before us.

Oher is the guy who they say has the most upside, but possible downside. Drafting him and working on him while Cliffy plays his last season just seems to fit.

[red]

I think I'll be the only happy packer fan if we get Oher. He is mega talented and probably worth the reach. I'd rather have A.Smith, but most have him going before us.

Oher is the guy who they say has the most upside, but possible downside. Drafting him and working on him while Cliffy plays his last season just seems to fit.

i'd be pretty happy if we got him too

[cheesner]

I think I'll be the only happy packer fan if we get Oher. He is mega talented and probably worth the reach. I'd rather have A.Smith, but most have him going before us.

Oher is the guy who they say has the most upside, but possible downside. Drafting him and working on him while Cliffy plays his last season just seems to fit.

You won't be the only one. I would be very happy with Oher. I think OT is our biggest weakness right now and I see Oher as one of the more talented ones. I would take him over A. Smith. The rap on him is that he doesn't play hard at times - the thing is, he doesn't need to. He often dominates his opponent with little effort, but he raises his effort when playing against more talented players. He seems to me that he can ignite and turn the burners on and be the best OT in the draft.

[Lurker64]

I think I'll be the only happy packer fan if we get Oher.

I'd rather have Oher than A. Smith, and I'd be content with the pick. It's less of a reach at #9 than some of the top guys that play other positions where we havee a need.

I'd certainly be happier with Oher than I would with Brown or Jenkins. I'd be more confident in Oher than I was in Orakpo or Maybin. Not only that, but Oher plays a more important position than guys like Raji or Jackson.

[sheepshead]

I can't see Thompson taking Andre Smith over Oher. Oher beats Smith in all the major athleticism categories that Thompson apparently uses to judge OL in:

Short Shuttle
Oher: 4.60
Smith: 4.93

3 Cone
Oher: 7.59
Smith: 7.86

When you consider that Thompson has never drafted any OL with a Short Shuttle worse than 4.6 and a 3 cone worse than 7.6, I can't imagine Smith is very high on his board at all. Oher is almost certainly above A. Smith on Thompson's board, particularly since Oher's strength is pass blocking while Smith's strength is run blocking.

Smith has long arms and a nasty demeanor (which Thompson likes) but I don't think he's nearly athletic enough to play OT for us, while Oher is and Oher also plays nasty and has long arms. Plus, it's not as though it's clear cut that Oher is the #4 OT and Smith is the #3, quite a few analysts have Oher at #3 and Smith at #4.

Are you for real?

[Lurker64]

Are you for real?

You don't think it's telling that Andre Smith would be the least athletic offensive lineman Thompson has ever drafted, and the least athletic member of our offensive line, besides Clifton?

Oher is at least as athletic as a bunch of the other guys we've got, and by all accounts it looks like Thompson only drafts offensive lineman that are above certain standards of athletic ability, which Oher apparently meets.

[Partial]

A) Their has been an emphasis on building a bigger, stronger, meaning line

B) The finesse linemen that have been brought in haven't shown much yet

C) While your numbers may be accurate, its also true that TT has shown in the past that he values production, and Smith defines production.

Personally, I don't know which linemen he would like more, and I'm not about to make any judgements based off of some arbitrary numbers that some of the guys he liked also happened to meet. That is foolish imo.

I don't think he's going to draft an OL in the first round. I think its going to be Orakpo, Maybin or trade down.

[Lurker64]

A) Their has been an emphasis on building a bigger, stronger, meaning line

B) The finesse linemen that have been brought in haven't shown much yet

C) While your numbers may be accurate, its also true that TT has shown in the past that he values production, and Smith defines production.

A) Oher is plenty big and strong, Andre Smith is just bigger because he has trouble controlling his weight. Oher put up more reps on the bench, and is just as stout at the point of attack, so it's not like Smith is clearly weaker.

B) Oher is not a finesse player. He's stout, powerful, and generates great push. He's just athletic in addition to the above.

C) Andre Smith is not really more productive than Oher, except from the perspective that "Alabama has a better football program than Ole Miss." Oher has been a consensus first team All-American and all-SEC for 2 and 3 years respectively running. They don't just give those out for no reason.

When you break down the two guys, both of them have a considerable question mark. Oher is a little inconsistent, because he often relied on his (considerable) natural physical talent to beat people and doesn't always show great technique. Andre Smith is immature, difficult to coach, has a ton of baggage, and has trouble controlling his weight. So the question of "who do you like better" really comes down to:

1) What are you really looking for in a LT?
a) Pass-Blocking (Oher)
b) Run-Blocking (A. Smith)

2) Which are you you more confident in?
a) Your ability to teach Oher solid technique at LT.
b) Your ability to correct Smith's work ethic, immaturity, and get him to put down the fork.

Personally, for Green Bay, if we're taking one of the two I'd rather have Oher.