2009 Packerrats Mock Draft

[ND72]

I decided to post where we're at....I never saw the official name taken #1, but I'm assuming...

#1 - Lions - Matthew Stafford
#2 - Rams - Jason Smith
#3 - Chiefs - Aaron Curry
#4 - Seahawks - Eugene Monroe
#5 - Browns - Michael Crabtree
#6 - Bengals - Andrea Smith
#7 - Raiders - B.J. Raji
#8 - Jags - Jeremy Maclin
#9 - Packers - Michael Oher
#10 - 49ers - Brian Orakpo
#11 - Bills - Robert Ayers
#12 - Broncos - Tyson Jackson
#13 - Redskins - Everette Brown
#14 - Saints - Aaron Maybin
#15 - Texans - Mark Sanchez
#16 - Chargers - Rey Maualaga


#17 Jets are on the clock

At this rate, we might be done by draft day!

[wist43]

Hope it doesn't fall that way... think A. Smith has flubbered his way out of the top 10. Don't know if Ayers has earned his way up that high.

Thinking TT will go OT, or Jackson though.

[Lurker64]

Don't know if Ayers has earned his way up that high.

Well, Mike Mayock (one of the finest draft analysts out there) is on record as saying "In two to three years Robert Ayers will be the best Defensive Player from this years draft", and he's definitely the top prototypical 4-3 DE (he's bigger and stouter than any of the tweeners, and he's a better pass rusher than Jackson). Your 4-3 DE prototypes are incredibly hard to find, and there really wasn't much else there that was going to help the Bills immediately (the Owens signing points me to thinking that they're in a "win-now" mode).

I stand by the pick, but the ideal situation for the Bills is to snag Oher or Andre Smith at #11, ship Peters off to Philadelphia for #21 or #28, and grab a pass rusher there, but all four tackles were gone, and Eben Britton is a huge reach at #11.

[KYPack]

Well, Mike Mayock (one of the finest draft analysts out there) is on record as saying "In two to three years Robert Ayers will be the best Defensive Player from this years draft", and he's definitely the top prototypical 4-3 DE (he's bigger and stouter than any of the tweeners, and he's a better pass rusher than Jackson). Your 4-3 DE prototypes are incredibly hard to find, and there really wasn't much else there that was going to help the Bills immediately (the Owens signing points me to thinking that they're in a "win-now" mode).

We are the proof of that statement. We had NOBODY at RDE by the end last year. Montgomery and Thompson seem to be a few years away (if ever). 4-3 DE's are like hens teeth. You can find college DT's to play DE in a 3-4. For that main reason, I'm glad we made the switch.

[Partial]

From what I'm reading on Ayers, Mayock (whom I trust very much) loves him, and has him rated as the fifth best player in the draft, and seems to think he can be quite good as an OLB with his agility and speed.

You think he's a possibility at 9? He's got great size, and Tennessee has a knack for producing good linemen imo.

[Lurker64]

From what I'm reading on Ayers, Mayock (whom I trust very much) loves him, and has him rated as the fifth best player in the draft, and seems to think he can be quite good as an OLB with his agility and speed.

You think he's a possibility at 9? He's got great size, and Tennessee has a knack for producing good linemen imo.

If we were staying with the 4-3, I'd say he'd be a possibility, but as things stand, we wouldn't take him. He's not stout enough to play 5-technique, and he's not a good enough pass rusher to be OLB. His niche is that he's the rare sort of player who is both good at rushing the passer and stout against the run, and the 4-3 D runs on that sort of superstar who is good at two unrelated tasks.

I would say Ayers scores about a 7.5/10 against the run and a 6/10 as a pass rusher (numbers extracted from ass to illustrate a point). If we were taking a DE, we'd be better served to take a guy like Tyson Jackson who's about an 9/10 against the run and about 5/10 as a pass rusher, since Jackson's advantage as an "at the point defender" is more valuable as a 5-technique DE. If we were taking an OLB, we'd be better suited to take someone who is a better pass rusher, at the expense of being less stout against the run (like Orakpo or Maybin). Ayers could help us, but not as much as he could help a 4-3 team and not as much as another player we could pick at that spot.

The rule of thumb is really that a guy who can do one thing really really well is more valuable to a 3-4 team, where a guy who can do several unrelated tasks each very well is more valuable to a 4-3 team.

[The Shadow]

From what I'm reading on Ayers, Mayock (whom I trust very much) loves him, and has him rated as the fifth best player in the draft, and seems to think he can be quite good as an OLB with his agility and speed.

You think he's a possibility at 9? He's got great size, and Tennessee has a knack for producing good linemen imo.

I think Ayers has that definite TT surprise pick mojo going for him.

[wist43]

Don't know if Ayers has earned his way up that high.

Well, Mike Mayock (one of the finest draft analysts out there) is on record as saying "In two to three years Robert Ayers will be the best Defensive Player from this years draft", and he's definitely the top prototypical 4-3 DE (he's bigger and stouter than any of the tweeners, and he's a better pass rusher than Jackson). Your 4-3 DE prototypes are incredibly hard to find, and there really wasn't much else there that was going to help the Bills immediately (the Owens signing points me to thinking that they're in a "win-now" mode).

I stand by the pick, but the ideal situation for the Bills is to snag Oher or Andre Smith at #11, ship Peters off to Philadelphia for #21 or #28, and grab a pass rusher there, but all four tackles were gone, and Eben Britton is a huge reach at #11.

I'll look at Ayers some more... I can be won over

[3irty1]

Sorry for being slow gentlemen. You picked the same guy I would have though.

I like everybodys pick but ours!

[KYPack]

PackerPro42 Yer on the clock.

31, you got the Panthers?

Do they have a first round pick?

[Bretsky]

THE NFC NORTH CHAMPIONS ARE LICKING THEIR CHOPS IN WAITING

[Mazzin]

Jets up?

If not DENVER?

[KYPack]

Yeah Mazzin.

#17 New York Jets:PackerPro42 = On the Clock

The boys got to ramblin' there for a bit.

[packrulz]

Yeah Mazzin.

#17 New York Jets:PackerPro42 = On the Clock

The boys got to ramblin' there for a bit.

I did PM PackerPro42, but it is Easter and all.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, Mike Mayock (one of the finest draft analysts out there) is on record as saying "In two to three years Robert Ayers will be the best Defensive Player from this years draft", and he's definitely the top prototypical 4-3 DE (he's bigger and stouter than any of the tweeners, and he's a better pass rusher than Jackson). Your 4-3 DE prototypes are incredibly hard to find, and there really wasn't much else there that was going to help the Bills immediately (the Owens signing points me to thinking that they're in a "win-now" mode).

We are the proof of that statement. We had NOBODY at RDE by the end last year. Montgomery and Thompson seem to be a few years away (if ever). 4-3 DE's are like hens teeth. You can find college DT's to play DE in a 3-4. For that main reason, I'm glad we made the switch.

Good Observation, KYP.

I think we will ultimately find that the same is true for OLBs and NT, maybe even ILBs compared to 4-3 positions.