Which players would you be okay with spending #9 on?

[wist43]

Raji or Orakpo are at the top of my wish list... but I think both will be gone.

Crabtree or Maclin I'd be okay with.

Oher I'm alright with, although he does come with some concerns - don't want A.Smith.

Jackson will be a decent player I think, but see using the #9 pick on a DE in a 3-4 as a waste; although, as I've been saying, I think GB's current personnel are so ill suited to a 3-4, that they'll be in a 4-3 more often than not, so what the hell, lol.

Don't want at #9:
Maybin
Jenkins
Brown
A. Smith
Brian Cushing
Rey Maualuga
Clay Matthews

[packrulz]

I disagree with you, Waldo, on Jenkins. He's a good player at a university that plays a lot of NFL technique with their corners so good ones tend to be easily evaluated and succeed in the NFL. Injury withstanding, he will have a lot of good years in the NFL. With the #9 I do want more than a "good player" and maybe that's all he is, but he doesn't deserve to be on the "no way list" any more than some of the other players.

I'm an anti-CB person. I think that you can build a fine secondary in the second round and beyond, especially at CB (if not there are always plenty available in FA every year). You first round pass defense should be able to tackle the QB before he throws the ball IMO.

I think that there is an inverse relationship between secondaries and defensive quality. There are very few good defenses that have elite CB's. Elite CB's typically take increased resources over average CB's, resources better spent on pressure. With good pressure average CB's defend like elite CB's.

Waldo, the problem is the Packers pass rush doesn't get many sacks, so they better have good CB's. Ron Wolf drafted CB's every year, the year he drafted McKenzie, he drafted 3. Look at the rookie year Rogers-Cromartie had with the Cardinals, he helped them make it to the Super Bowl.

[Waldo]

I disagree with you, Waldo, on Jenkins. He's a good player at a university that plays a lot of NFL technique with their corners so good ones tend to be easily evaluated and succeed in the NFL. Injury withstanding, he will have a lot of good years in the NFL. With the #9 I do want more than a "good player" and maybe that's all he is, but he doesn't deserve to be on the "no way list" any more than some of the other players.

I'm an anti-CB person. I think that you can build a fine secondary in the second round and beyond, especially at CB (if not there are always plenty available in FA every year). You first round pass defense should be able to tackle the QB before he throws the ball IMO.

I think that there is an inverse relationship between secondaries and defensive quality. There are very few good defenses that have elite CB's. Elite CB's typically take increased resources over average CB's, resources better spent on pressure. With good pressure average CB's defend like elite CB's.

Waldo, the problem is the Packers pass rush doesn't get many sacks, so they better have good CB's. Ron Wolf drafted CB's every year, the year he drafted McKenzie, he drafted 3. Look at the rookie year Rogers-Cromartie had with the Cardinals, he helped them make it to the Super Bowl.

So instead of spending resources on a CB, wouldn't it be better spent on a pass rush?

I'm fine with drafting a CB, there are a couple that I really like. But I wouldn't do so until the 3rd-4th round.

[KYPack]

Wow, that is one scary article.

5 guys on it and 3 of em have been mentioned on Rats as strong possibilities to be our pick.

Now this article say all 3 could well crash and burn.

There is so much info out now, the closer you get to the draft, the more negative shit you hear.

[CaliforniaCheez]

The bust potential for Raji is great.

One year of good college play. 2007 Academicly ineligible. Questions of drugs. He was playing next to Brace (which made the other better?).

[HarveyWallbangers]

The bust potential for Raji is great.

One year of good college play. 2007 Academicly ineligible. Questions of drugs. He was playing next to Brace (which made the other better?).

Were his grades that bad? I had read he was basically ineligible because of a clerical error.

Did he really only have one good year? He was a starter in 2005 and 2006, right? Has anybody said he wasn't very good those years? His stats were as good those two years as Brace's stats his senior year (his best year).

[red]

Check out what Pro Football Weekly has to say about Crabtree & Raji :

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi040909.htm

well, thats a pretty depressing read

I agree. I'm increasingly leaning towards "Tyson Jackson is the right pick." Anybody have anything horrible about him they'd like to point out?

i was thinking the exact same thing after i typed that

i also think that he would provide the biggest upgrade over what we already have

[Spaulding]

Check out what Pro Football Weekly has to say about Crabtree & Raji :

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi040909.htm

Interesting read but I don't put too much weight to it. You could say that about almost any young player instantly thrown millions of dollars. Obviously some like Harvin and his posse are more prone than others but players the character of Greg Jennings are definitely not the norm.

Strangely omitted from this list is Andre Smith and his suspension from Sugar Bowl, weight concerns and poor Pro Day showing.

I assume this came out prior to the pot and steroid rumors that have cropped up on Raji, Matthews, etc.

[Packnut]

Jackson

Since I'm on the Jackson bandwagon, let me explain why he's the guy to pick at #9.

First off- solid character. Was one of the core leaders at LSU.

Second- Injury history. Played 40 straight games. Hell, Harrell could'nt do that in his wildest fantasies.

Three- suits the 3-4 to perfection. He is not a speed rusher. His main suit is stopping the run which just happens to coincide with our biggest weakness. His strength is taking on blockers. This is perfect cause in a 3-4 the LB's should get the tackles. He has great ball recognition skills.

Four- HUGE upside. Has'nt scratched the surface yet with his ability. Is strong now and will get stronger with the right weight lifting program.

[rbaloha1]

Check out what Pro Football Weekly has to say about Crabtree & Raji :

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi040909.htm

Great article. Surprised on Crabtree's off field personality. If true, may not be worth the risk.

Raji's off field issues are widely known. These are the type of players Sherman drafts not TT.

[rbaloha1]

Re: Jackson

Since I'm on the Jackson bandwagon, let me explain why he's the guy to pick at #9.

First off- solid character. Was one of the core leaders at LSU.

Second- Injury history. Played 40 straight games. Hell, Harrell could'nt do that in his wildest fantasies.

Three- suits the 3-4 to perfection. He is not a speed rusher. His main suit is stopping the run which just happens to coincide with our biggest weakness. His strength is taking on blockers. This is perfect cause in a 3-4 the LB's should get the tackles. He has great ball recognition skills.

Four- HUGE upside. Has'nt scratched the surface yet with his ability. Is strong now and will get stronger with the right weight lifting program.

Sporting News states TJ is maybe the only top true 3-4 end in this draft. Character, production and upside potential are attributes TT seeks.

[Packnut]

Re: Jackson

Since I'm on the Jackson bandwagon, let me explain why he's the guy to pick at #9.

First off- solid character. Was one of the core leaders at LSU.

Second- Injury history. Played 40 straight games. Hell, Harrell could'nt do that in his wildest fantasies.

Three- suits the 3-4 to perfection. He is not a speed rusher. His main suit is stopping the run which just happens to coincide with our biggest weakness. His strength is taking on blockers. This is perfect cause in a 3-4 the LB's should get the tackles. He has great ball recognition skills.

Four- HUGE upside. Has'nt scratched the surface yet with his ability. Is strong now and will get stronger with the right weight lifting program.

Sporting News states TJ is maybe the only top true 3-4 end in this draft. Character, production and upside potential are attributes TT seeks.

From your keyboard to Teddy's ears......

[red]

Re: Jackson

Since I'm on the Jackson bandwagon, let me explain why he's the guy to pick at #9.

First off- solid character. Was one of the core leaders at LSU.

Second- Injury history. Played 40 straight games. Hell, Harrell could'nt do that in his wildest fantasies.

Three- suits the 3-4 to perfection. He is not a speed rusher. His main suit is stopping the run which just happens to coincide with our biggest weakness. His strength is taking on blockers. This is perfect cause in a 3-4 the LB's should get the tackles. He has great ball recognition skills.

Four- HUGE upside. Has'nt scratched the surface yet with his ability. Is strong now and will get stronger with the right weight lifting program.

Sporting News states TJ is maybe the only top true 3-4 end in this draft. Character, production and upside potential are attributes TT seeks.

the other guys that might be 3-4 de's have been playing DT in college. so they would have to move a bit, and then you have a little bit of a question as to if the guys can even play 3-4 de. they probably can handle it just fine, but you know TJ can do it

he's a safe pick, he's a great player and he fills a huge need. the only downside is that De in the 3-4 is not usually filled with guy that are taken in the top 10.

but i say oh well. if he's there and you want him and 9 then take him tt. no reason to take a chance on getting one of the other guys in the later rounds and missing out.

tyson jackson and clint sintim or larry english in the second and our 3-4 d will be on the right track

[Lurker64]

Re: Jackson

the only downside is that De in the 3-4 is not usually filled with guy that are taken in the top 10.

Richard Seymour was taken at #6 overall, and nobody would dare criticize the Pats for passing on guys like Andre Carter or Jamal Reynolds (the top prospects for the the "big money position" of OLB in the 3-4 defense) for taking the big DE.

[Joemailman]

Does Mel Kiper know that Tyson Jackson is zooming up draft boards at Packerrats?