ted takes it to a whole new level

[cpk1994]

Re: Ted

Even the very best of GMs miss on a heck of a lot of their draft picks.

See Wolf, Ron. 1st Round draft record.

[Bossman641]

What is it with Packer fans and Harrell? It is ridiculous. Has he been a disappointment (too early to call him a bust) thus far? No question. That doesn't mean he is done though.

No GM gets every pick correct. No GM gets every first round pick correct. If I remember correctly, the Vikings don't have a single player from the 2005 draft on their team.

1. Troy Williamson
1. Erasmus James
2. Marcus Johnson
3. Dustin Fox
4. Ciatrick Fiason

Do their fans sit around all day bitching? Honestly, I thought Packer fans were supposed to be smart and knowledgeable, yet I've never heard any team's fans complain about a missed draft pick the way Packer fans do about Harrell. Does that make it acceptable to miss on draft picks? NO. But when you have way more hits then misses, as TT does, you get the benefit of the doubt.

[Lurker64]

The stock answer is "When you don't participate in free agency, you can't afford to miss any draft picks" which is frankly an unfair standard. Teams that don't participate much in free agency and primarily develop from within miss on draft picks all the time. The Patriots missed badly on Chad Jackson. The Steelers got roughly nothing out of Mendenhall last year, Santonio Holmes is kind of "just a guy", Heath Miller is also kind of JAG-ey, and they have the worst offensive line in the NFL bar none.

Teams miss on draft picks. Teams that use FA extensively, and teams that don't. But there doesn't seem to be any strong positive correlation between "extensive use of FA" and "success on the field."

[Packgator]

Re: ted takes it to a whole new level

we all know tt loves to stroke is ego by trying to find diamonds in the rough, but this is getting out of hand

Any interest isn't for the purpose of drafting him.......rather signing him as a FA right after the draft. Good move by the Packers/TT.......happy to know they are being thorough and (what looks to be) well prepared. In other words.....doing their job.

[K-town]

The stock answer is "When you don't participate in free agency, you can't afford to miss any draft picks" which is frankly an unfair standard. Teams that don't participate much in free agency and primarily develop from within miss on draft picks all the time. The Patriots missed badly on Chad Jackson. The Steelers got roughly nothing out of Mendenhall last year, Santonio Holmes is kind of "just a guy", Heath Miller is also kind of JAG-ey, and they have the worst offensive line in the NFL bar none.

Teams miss on draft picks. Teams that use FA extensively, and teams that don't. But there doesn't seem to be any strong positive correlation between "extensive use of FA" and "success on the field."

I rarely disagree with your postings, but on this one:
1) I think Santonio Holmes is a player with a lot of upside, who showed up big in the Super Bowl.
2) I think Heath Miller is more than a JAG. I bet a lot of teams would like to have him as a TE. He could be like the Steeler's version Owen Daniels, if he were used better.
3) I think we can find some O-lines worse than Pittsburgh's. How'd you like to stand behind the pass-blocking of, oh, say, Detroit?

Beyond these points, however, I basically agree with your stance on

there doesn't seem to be any strong positive correlation between "extensive use of FA" and "success on the field."

[cheesner]

The stock answer is "When you don't participate in free agency, you can't afford to miss any draft picks" which is frankly an unfair standard. Teams that don't participate much in free agency and primarily develop from within miss on draft picks all the time. The Patriots missed badly on Chad Jackson. The Steelers got roughly nothing out of Mendenhall last year, Santonio Holmes is kind of "just a guy", Heath Miller is also kind of JAG-ey, and they have the worst offensive line in the NFL bar none.

Teams miss on draft picks. Teams that use FA extensively, and teams that don't. But there doesn't seem to be any strong positive correlation between "extensive use of FA" and "success on the field."

I dissagree on Holmes, but you are made a valid point.

Comparing the last few teams to win the SB: Steelers, NYG, and NE; Thompson has drafted as well as or better than any of these teams.

[cpk1994]

The Patriots missed badly on Chad Jackson.

Funbny that you mention him. There were more than a few on here that raked TT over the coals becuase he took Jennings over Jackson. Good thing TT doesn't listen to the fans.

[Gunakor]

The Patriots missed badly on Chad Jackson.

Funbny that you mention him. There were more than a few on here that raked TT over the coals becuase he took Jennings over Jackson. Good thing TT doesn't listen to the fans.

Wait, wait. That can't be right. Greg Jennings is the ONLY blue chipper TT has ever drafted, according to a few sources I assume to be legitimate Packer fans. How could it be possible that our knowledgeable fans were raking our GM over the coals for drafting his ONLY blue chip player in any draft he's run as a member of our franchise?

[Fritz]

Re: Ted

so, are you sure he hasn't brought in several guys that might go #9? Is there so much more to learn than he has learned already? Would you rather he doesn't even look at a guy who is a fantastic athlete?

Don't misunderstand, I think this guy won't ever play a down in the NFL, but the reaction you are having shows your bias pretty badly. TT has watched more hours of tape on college guys than you will work in the next 2 years.

If you are really looking to start another "what the hell is TT doing" thread I think you can do better than this.

And what the hell does Teddy watching all that tape accomplish? Drafting Justin Harrell? I hate to break this to ya, but watching billions of hours of tape does not mean a damn thing if you can't evaluate what your watching.

John Brockington went to Ohio State.

So what is your point?? I was responding to red who was complaining TT was doing the WRONG thing. I didn't say he was good at evaluating talent (in this thread) so your post has no point other than the one you interjected.

I hate to break it to ya, but posting that the sky is blue in a thread about the moon doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't figure out what the topic is.

[bobblehead]

Re: Ted

so, are you sure he hasn't brought in several guys that might go #9? Is there so much more to learn than he has learned already? Would you rather he doesn't even look at a guy who is a fantastic athlete?

Don't misunderstand, I think this guy won't ever play a down in the NFL, but the reaction you are having shows your bias pretty badly. TT has watched more hours of tape on college guys than you will work in the next 2 years.

If you are really looking to start another "what the hell is TT doing" thread I think you can do better than this.

And what the hell does Teddy watching all that tape accomplish? Drafting Justin Harrell? I hate to break this to ya, but watching billions of hours of tape does not mean a damn thing if you can't evaluate what your watching.

John Brockington went to Ohio State.

So what is your point?? I was responding to red who was complaining TT was doing the WRONG thing. I didn't say he was good at evaluating talent (in this thread) so your post has no point other than the one you interjected.

I hate to break it to ya, but posting that the sky is blue in a thread about the moon doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't figure out what the topic is.

Mars is the red planet.

[bobblehead]

Re: Ted

so, are you sure he hasn't brought in several guys that might go #9? Is there so much more to learn than he has learned already? Would you rather he doesn't even look at a guy who is a fantastic athlete?

Don't misunderstand, I think this guy won't ever play a down in the NFL, but the reaction you are having shows your bias pretty badly. TT has watched more hours of tape on college guys than you will work in the next 2 years.

If you are really looking to start another "what the hell is TT doing" thread I think you can do better than this.

And what the hell does Teddy watching all that tape accomplish? Drafting Justin Harrell? I hate to break this to ya, but watching billions of hours of tape does not mean a damn thing if you can't evaluate what your watching.

John Brockington went to Ohio State.

So what is your point?? I was responding to red who was complaining TT was doing the WRONG thing. I didn't say he was good at evaluating talent (in this thread) so your post has no point other than the one you interjected.

I hate to break it to ya, but posting that the sky is blue in a thread about the moon doesn't mean a damn thing if you can't figure out what the topic is.

Mars is the red planet.

I used to carry my lunch, but now I ride a bike.

[sharpe1027]

Do their fans sit around all day bitching?

Yes. In my experience many Vikings fans do sit around bitching about thier team all day even when they are winning. However, they find plenty of other things to bitch about so the 2005 draft might be overlooked sometimes.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The stock answer is "When you don't participate in free agency, you can't afford to miss any draft picks" which is frankly an unfair standard. Teams that don't participate much in free agency and primarily develop from within miss on draft picks all the time. The Patriots missed badly on Chad Jackson. The Steelers got roughly nothing out of Mendenhall last year, Santonio Holmes is kind of "just a guy", Heath Miller is also kind of JAG-ey, and they have the worst offensive line in the NFL bar none.

Teams miss on draft picks. Teams that use FA extensively, and teams that don't. But there doesn't seem to be any strong positive correlation between "extensive use of FA" and "success on the field."

I agree totally with the argument, but think your examples are pretty poor.

Mendenhall: A guy getting injured isn't a miss.

Holmes: Left college early. He STARTED his rookie year..and WR is considered to be a hard position to earn time at in your rookie year. 49 receptions for 824 yards. That was more than a certain Packer rookie that EVERYONE was gaga over.

2007 he led the steelers in yards and TDs and emerged as one of the better deep threats in the NFL. 942 yards and 8 tds..and led the league in yards per catch. Pretty much the equal of a certain Packer second year receiver.

08...MVP of the superbowl.

Let's not forget that he plays for a RUSHING TEAM.

Heath Miller: You are just high. Miller is regarded as one of the best TEs in the league. As compared to the league average in TDs and yards for TEs...he is well above.

[Packnut]

Re: Ted

And what the hell does Teddy watching all that tape accomplish? Drafting Justin Harrell? I hate to break this to ya, but watching billions of hours of tape does not mean a damn thing if you can't evaluate what your watching.

Do you really expect a GM to hit on every pick? If TT hits on every pick it would be the first time for any GM in the history of the NFL.


Another source of player information: Teammates. Both current and former players - this is one of the best sources cause they know what the guy does when the coaches aren't around..

Well, I obviously expect more out of our GM than some here do. This ain't no charity job. Thompson get's paid a lot of money and I expect him to live up to what he's being paid. So far, any sane rational person would be hard pressed to say we've gotten our money's worth.

1 blue chip player and one with potential (Rodgers) in 4 years? How many starters? Capable back-ups?

Lastly- how many holes on this team?

Do the math-Teddy oughtta fork back over a wad of cash to the Green Bay Packers..............

[Packnut]

Re: Ted

And what the hell does Teddy watching all that tape accomplish? Drafting Justin Harrell? I hate to break this to ya, but watching billions of hours of tape does not mean a damn thing if you can't evaluate what your watching.

I suspect the tape he had on Harrell was actually impressive. Before his senior year, Harrell was projected as a top 10 pick by many.

It just amazes me how so many of you criticize the heck out of TT for being conservative, not taking a chance. Then he takes a chance on a highly talented player, it doesn't work out immediately, so you criticize him for that.

Even the very best of GMs miss on a heck of a lot of their draft picks.

Well than it's fortunate they don't graduate juniors is'nt it? C'mon, everyone knew Harrell was an injury risk except Teddy. Stop making excuses, it was a bad pick period!