ted takes it to a whole new level

[Patler]

Re: Ted

Well, I obviously expect more out of our GM than some here do. This ain't no charity job. Thompson get's paid a lot of money and I expect him to live up to what he's being paid. So far, any sane rational person would be hard pressed to say we've gotten our money's worth.

1 blue chip player and one with potential (Rodgers) in 4 years? How many starters? Capable back-ups?

Lastly- how many holes on this team?

Do the math-Teddy oughtta fork back over a wad of cash to the Green Bay Packers..............

On offense he has done fine. He has changed 8 of the 11 starters, soon to be 9 of 11, with only Clifton and Driver being holdovers from the pre-Thompson days. In addition he has very good backups at WR and better backups in the O-line than what was here when he came. He may have a capable backup at TE, we will have to see. He has also changed the kicker, punter and snapper.

All this accomplished without significant decline in output from the offense.

Not bad. Not bad at all. In fact, it is darned impressive.

[RashanGary]

It certainly seems like we're on our way to more post season success. Can't complain.

[Joemailman]

I find it hard to gauge how much progress the Packers are making because their won/loss record fluctuates so much. Last 5 years they are 10-6, 4-12, 8-8, 13-3 and 6-10. Maybe this year will tell us something. Another 6-10 season and 2007 starts to look like a fluke. A great season in 2009, and that's 2 out of 3 with 2008 maybe being a fluke with all the close losses.

[texaspackerbacker]

What's the big deal with this Paulus thing? Ya think Thompson and his staff can't multi-task?

True, we don't need a QB, but I've been campaigning relentlessly for the Packers to get Pat Whtie--or somebody similar. I'm thinking that's Paulus--a guy who can run "wildcat" or option type plays that would provide a nice change of pace for the Packers.

[Gunakor]

Re: Ted

And what the hell does Teddy watching all that tape accomplish? Drafting Justin Harrell? I hate to break this to ya, but watching billions of hours of tape does not mean a damn thing if you can't evaluate what your watching.

Do you really expect a GM to hit on every pick? If TT hits on every pick it would be the first time for any GM in the history of the NFL.


Another source of player information: Teammates. Both current and former players - this is one of the best sources cause they know what the guy does when the coaches aren't around..

Well, I obviously expect more out of our GM than some here do. This ain't no charity job. Thompson get's paid a lot of money and I expect him to live up to what he's being paid. So far, any sane rational person would be hard pressed to say we've gotten our money's worth.

1 blue chip player and one with potential (Rodgers) in 4 years? How many starters? Capable back-ups?

Lastly- how many holes on this team?

Do the math-Teddy oughtta fork back over a wad of cash to the Green Bay Packers..............

I think this has been brought up and answered before. 12 starters have been drafted in the last 4 years. You'd be hard pressed to find another GM in the league who has done better.

How many holes on this team? We need new offensive tackles, but we didn't need new offensive tackles as badly before this offseason. We had a need at LB, I thought, but then we switched to a 3-4. Now Aaron Kampman and Jeremy Thompson come up to play OLB and Hawk moves inside. We don't have a huge need at LB anymore. We might need another 3-4 type DE, but you could hardly blame TT for that since they just switched to a 3-4 this year.

Now, how many holes were on this team when TT took over? Needed a backup QB/eventual replacement, had two WR's (one of which got hurt in week 1) and then Ferguson as his #3, had a RB nearing 30 years old and declining fast and nobody worth the ink on their contracts backing him up, just one linebacker worth a shit, AHMAD CARROLL, and a seriously fucked up cap situation limiting his ability to fix very much in the first year.

All in all, I'd say we are much better off now than we were in 2005. So why should Thompson have to repay anything back to the Packers?

[Gunakor]

Re: Ted

Well, I obviously expect more out of our GM than some here do. This ain't no charity job. Thompson get's paid a lot of money and I expect him to live up to what he's being paid. So far, any sane rational person would be hard pressed to say we've gotten our money's worth.

1 blue chip player and one with potential (Rodgers) in 4 years? How many starters? Capable back-ups?

Lastly- how many holes on this team?

Do the math-Teddy oughtta fork back over a wad of cash to the Green Bay Packers..............

On offense he has done fine. He has changed 8 of the 11 starters, soon to be 9 of 11, with only Clifton and Driver being holdovers from the pre-Thompson days. In addition he has very good backups at WR and better backups in the O-line than what was here when he came. He may have a capable backup at TE, we will have to see. He has also changed the kicker, punter and snapper.

All this accomplished without significant decline in output from the offense.

Not bad. Not bad at all. In fact, it is darned impressive.

Not to mention he's done all of this while fixing the cap disaster he inherited. Fixed it and then some.

[Gunakor]

Re: Ted

And what the hell does Teddy watching all that tape accomplish? Drafting Justin Harrell? I hate to break this to ya, but watching billions of hours of tape does not mean a damn thing if you can't evaluate what your watching.

I suspect the tape he had on Harrell was actually impressive. Before his senior year, Harrell was projected as a top 10 pick by many.

It just amazes me how so many of you criticize the heck out of TT for being conservative, not taking a chance. Then he takes a chance on a highly talented player, it doesn't work out immediately, so you criticize him for that.

Even the very best of GMs miss on a heck of a lot of their draft picks.

Well than it's fortunate they don't graduate juniors is'nt it? C'mon, everyone knew Harrell was an injury risk except Teddy. Stop making excuses, it was a bad pick period!

No, Teddy knew too. He weighed that risk against the potential he showed when healthy and decided it was worth the risk. If Teddy didn't draft him, Shanahan would have, and for the same reason. Harrell was a stud DT playing for a school known to put out some pretty good defensive linemen, playing in a conference known for it's football prowess. Again, if Harrell is the best you can come up with, we are okay. Missing on Harrell is NOT the reason Green Bay went 6-10 last season. Yeah, in hindsight it doesn't look like the best of picks. But you know what? Every GM makes bad picks. Even in the first round. So get over it.

[MJZiggy]

I think Packnut's finally posted himself into irrelevance.

[Lurker64]

True, we don't need a QB, but I've been campaigning relentlessly for the Packers to get Pat Whtie--or somebody similar. I'm thinking that's Paulus--a guy who can run "wildcat" or option type plays that would provide a nice change of pace for the Packers.

I think if the Packers had their heart set on running the Wildcat or something similar, an easy substitution would be to put in Ruvell Martin as the QB, since he played QB in high school, and was the third string QB briefly in 2007.

Aren't you the guy who's always looking to solve problems with people we already have on the roster? Give Ruvell some love!

[Zool]

Paulus was actually one of the most highly recruited QBs out of high school when he came out. Most thought he'd play QB at a major college (I thought Florida State was the frontrunner) and also try basketball. Instead, he went with the sport that he wasn't as highly rated in.

IIR Harv, this kid is Ron Paulus' little brother and he was leaning toward ND.

BTW there's a guy in SD that didnt play much college football. He seems to be OK at football now.

Zool,

I think you meant IIRI (incorrectly).

Ron POWLUS went to ND. Greg was the Gatorade National Player of the year in 04..and like Mauer..spurned football.

BTW, there seems to be a younger brother who learned from his brother's mistake.

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73...=1&nid=2250643

Shit you're right. I made that same mistake when he was coming out I think too. Thats what I get for reading the internet.

[bobblehead]

I think Packnut's finally posted himself into irrelevance.

I nominate that Packnut be stripped of the title cerebral rat and be designated hysterical rat.

[cheesner]

Re: Ted

Well, I obviously expect more out of our GM than some here do. This ain't no charity job. Thompson get's paid a lot of money and I expect him to live up to what he's being paid. So far, any sane rational person would be hard pressed to say we've gotten our money's worth.

1 blue chip player and one with potential (Rodgers) in 4 years? How many starters? Capable back-ups?

Lastly- how many holes on this team?

Do the math-Teddy oughtta fork back over a wad of cash to the Green Bay Packers..............

I expect a lot of out a GM and I am pleased with TT.

Compare TTs track record against just about anyone. The NYG and maybe the Colts have fared slightly better, but TT is near the best draft results of any GM over the last 4 years.

IMPACT
Greg Jennings
Aaron Rodgers
Nick Collins


STARTERS
Daryn Colledge
A.J. Hawk
Johnny Jolly
Jason Spitz
Korey Hall
Brady Poppinga
Mason Crosby

ON TEAM/Don't know yet
Josh Sitton
Jordy Nelson
Desmond Bishop
Brandon Jackson
James Jones
Justin Harrell
Jeremy Thompson
Jermichael Finley
DeShawn Wynn
Tony Moll
Will Blackmon
Matt Flynn
Mike Montgomery
Patrick Lee
Breno Giacomini
Brian Brohm
Allen Barbre
Aaron Rouse
Brett Swain

GONE
Abdul Hodge
William Whitticker
Michael Hawkins
Tyrone Culver
Marviel Underwood
Kurt Campbell
Junius Coston
Ingle Martin
David Clowney
Dave Tollefson
Craig Bragg
Cory Rodgers
Clark Harris
Terrence Murphy

And I am looking at a few of those starters and the 'don't know yet' guys and thinking there will be a few impact players moving up from those ranks.

[SnakeLH2006]

Why don't we sign Usain Bolt the young Jamaican 6'5" 200 lb. sprinter who prob. runs a 4.2 40 yard dash (the Lions tried signing him...no for real, they tried)? This would free Will Blackmon to "beast" at CB fulltime.

[Partial]

ESPN speculated that Bolt would run a 3.4 40, but I don't believe that for a second.

I think he'd probably do it about 3.8-3.9.

I'm seeing some BS like "At 40 yards of the actual Olympic 100m race, Bolt was at 4.35 or 4.36 seconds.". No way. These guys are A) coming off a blocks which they aren't at the combine (shave a tenth off), but he is the fastest 100 meter sprinter ever and crushed the record despite pulling up 15 meters early.

Aha! The above factors in reaction time which they don't use at the combine.

Still, this article references him running a 4.22. Chris Johnson ran a 4.24. I simply cannot believe that a guy like Bolt wouldn't crush Johnson.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=582

Evidently Bolt requires 50 yards or so to hit his "blow everyone away" gear, where as Asafa Powell has a much faster start. It appears as though quite a few people think he would beat Bolt in the 40.

This Madden simulation puts him at 3.94: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OGdSbWeCv8



This guy has the most logical explanation yet:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5019820

"Nobody has ever run 40 yards in less than 4.0 seconds, so you can throw anything that says it has happened straight out the window.

When Usain Bolt set the world record in the 100 meters a few months ago, he ran the first 40 yards in 4.22 seconds. The fastest 40-yard start ever recorded in a sanctioned 100-meter dash is Maurice Greene's 4.18 in 1999. Those are fully automatic times, minus reaction time.

The only "electronic" 40 times in football are at the Combine, and those use a hand start, so they're not fully automatic. You'd have to add the timer's reaction time in order to compare them to fully automatic track times."

Knowing the reaction time for most runners is .17ish, you can see where the numbers are greatly decrease at the combine (but one has to also factor in reaction time to stop clock, and that would probably cancel out the start reaction time?)

I tend to believe Bolt would be the best punt returner the game has ever seen. One cut and he's gone. Nobody, not even Chris Johnson, is going to come close to catching him.

[SnakeLH2006]

ESPN speculated that Bolt would run a 3.4 40, but I don't believe that for a second.

I think he'd probably do it about 3.8-3.9.

I'm seeing some BS like "At 40 yards of the actual Olympic 100m race, Bolt was at 4.35 or 4.36 seconds.". No way. These guys are A) coming off a blocks which they aren't at the combine (shave a tenth off), but he is the fastest 100 meter sprinter ever and crushed the record despite pulling up 15 meters early.

Aha! The above factors in reaction time which they don't use at the combine.

Still, this article references him running a 4.22. Chris Johnson ran a 4.24. I simply cannot believe that a guy like Bolt wouldn't crush Johnson.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=582

Yes, Bolt is prob. the fastest human EVER as these guys just keep getting a tad faster, yet the fastest 40 time EVER recorded was by a young Deion Sanders back in 1989 at the combine where he ran 4.18 40...to think Bolt would run a 3.8 is utterly ridiculous.

They talked about it on ESPN a year ago, and they said he might do a 4.2 as he's born/bred to run 100's and 200's not 40's. Not saying he couldn't do a 4.16 or something, but he's the same height as Snake and I ran a 4.51 my junior year in HS when I was lean. Being taller is better for striding, but less advantageous for short burst ala 40 times.

There's little chance he'd be as fast/faster than Deion, but either way, it's crazy to think he's the same size as Moss, yet faster and only 23 or 24 Snakey thinks.

He's worth a tryout if his heart was into it (and could make millions if panned out vs...the piddly money he makes now)....

There was an Olympian with virtually no football experience (Michael Bates) in the 1990's that made the Panthers squad and some ProBowls as a KR. Via Wiki: "In his football career, the majority of which he played for the Carolina Panthers, he had 9110 total yards in kick returns and five kick-return touchdowns (the NFL record for kickoff return touchdowns in a career is six). In one of his best seasons, 1996, he returned 33 kicks for 998 yards - a remarkable average of 30.2 yards per return - and one kick return touchdown. Bates was selected to the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team." And that's guy who ONLY ran a 10.16 100 yard dash with no football experience with a much smaller body than Bolt.

Bolt would be a beast at WR if he knew how to play, or at least a returner. Crazy athleticism for a young 6'5" 200 lb. dude. Snake would love to see that guy return kicks...yet football is so instinctive, it's highly doubtful he'd survive the hits, or be able to run routes with zip experience...Yet crazier stuff has happened.