Anylizing Ted Thompson's drafts

[Bretsky]

and here I though the thread was about Ted Thompson

Would you really settle for average and not be very disappointed ?

I can't think of many areas of life where I'd say that.

I might take that for the Brewers; but it's because I don't think they have a prayer due to the salary cap

[RashanGary]

You guys, you're good people. We'll see where it goes. I come from a family where confrontation isn't insulting, but live in a world where it's taken as extremely insulting by many. Some things are more important than getting a point across and right now I'll put internet friendships over this stupid ass argument.


For anyone who has ever argued with Packnut, he/she is not a real poster. He/she is so cowardly that he/she can't say what he/she wants without hiding behind a 2nd internet mask. Pathetic. I can't put my finger on who it is, but I hope it's not someone I like because it's a cowardly, spiteful, passive-aggressive tactic that I have zero respect for.


But have a good day guys I'm a big Thompson fan

[MJZiggy]

1 in 32 seems too convenient; don't tell the better organizations about those odds as they'd find them unacceptable.

Giants, Steelers, Colts, Patriots

If you deem yourself to have one of the better organizations and the better GM's the 1/32 picture is a IMO just a convenient excuse for not winning the big one

That's average, Bretsky. It's not a convenient number. It's the reality that you so blissfully ignore with your every day thinking.

As Bretsky pointed out... not average to the Steelers, Patriots, Giants, et al.

And that's my point, I don't want to wait another 32-13=19 years

I suffered thru the 70's and 80's along with a lot of other guys on this forum... JH, you and a lot of our younger bretheren have only seen reasonably good times.

Trust me on this... the years have a way of ticking by, and before you know it, you're 15 years down the line, with no Lombardi Trophies - that is, if you accept "the average".

As Bretsky said, "average" isn't good enough.

Wist, do the math. It's been since 1996. Seems years have been slipping on you. The good news is we almost hit in 2007 and we're due. 2008 was an injury-riddled fluke. It's spring. Time for optimism, dear.

And Bretsky, if we're talking about a 32-year time period, are you going to tell me that the Giants Colts and Patriots have been above average for 32 years running? The NFL is cyclical. The only ones who don't catch lightning every once in a while are the ones with sucky owners.

[RashanGary]

The NFL is cyclical. The only ones who don't catch lightning every once in a while are the ones with sucky owners.

Good point.

[esoxx]

1 in 32 seems too convenient; don't tell the better organizations about those odds as they'd find them unacceptable.

Giants, Steelers, Colts, Patriots

If you deem yourself to have one of the better organizations and the better GM's the 1/32 picture is a IMO just a convenient excuse for not winning the big one

That's average, Bretsky. It's not a convenient number. It's the reality that you so blissfully ignore with your every day thinking.

Average is unacceptable

If that is what I was looking for in my everyday life then my life would be far far different

Pwned.

[Partial]

1 in 32 seems too convenient; don't tell the better organizations about those odds as they'd find them unacceptable.

Giants, Steelers, Colts, Patriots

If you deem yourself to have one of the better organizations and the better GM's the 1/32 picture is a IMO just a convenient excuse for not winning the big one

Where does this 1/32 number even come from? That has no basis at all. This isn't a game of madden where every team has the same players with the same ratings. It's not a game of luck. Clearly Harrell isn't an actuary.

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It's not cyclical at all imo. There isn't any basis for that. The teams with the better players do well. Period. This arbitrary assessment of drafting is lame. An average player is still an average player whether they're picked in the 2nd round or the 7th round. It doesn't make it any better or worse of a pick imo.

Teets has done OK in drafting. Rodgers is good enough I suppose. Jennings is very good. Nick Collins looks alright too. Still, only one star in Jennings. Don't expect to be anywhere near a superbowl until we draft another Jennings type player.

[gex]

Here is the breakdown:

10% love Thompson and think he is the best gm the world will ever have the pleasure of knowing.

20% think he is an above average gm

40% think he is an average gm

20% think he is a below average gm

10% think he is the devil

And each and every person will not be swayed by any arguments that dont go along with what they believe.

The win/loss record sways my opinion more than anything. He is ultimately responsible for our teams success and he is below .500(no excuses)

[swede]

The win/loss record sways my opinion more than anything. He is ultimately responsible for our teams success and he is below .500(no excuses)

So every time the defense gave a game away in the last minute, and both times that we lost on a missed FG you blamed TT? Last year suggested to me that we're pretty darn close to having a good football team. The new defensive coaching staff is reason to yet be hopeful that we can contend for the division with minimal roster changes. I don't disagree that W/L is the ultimate measure of a GM, but if I'm the President of the Green Bay Packers I damn well am going to consider much more than W/L in evaluating the health of my organization.

...each and every person will not be swayed by any arguments that dont go along with what they believe.

That is a remarkable statement that may say more about you than the rest of us.

[Gunakor]

1 in 32 seems too convenient; don't tell the better organizations about those odds as they'd find them unacceptable.

Giants, Steelers, Colts, Patriots

If you deem yourself to have one of the better organizations and the better GM's the 1/32 picture is a IMO just a convenient excuse for not winning the big one

The Giants went 15 years or something between Bill Parcells' SB winning Giants and Tom Coughlin's. The Colts went something like 30 years between Unitas' SB winning Baltimore Colts and Manning's SB winning Indianapolis Colts. Ask the better organizations like these two and I think they'd tell you that a lot has to go right to win one, that it's not so easy as to expect to win one every 5 or 6 years. Hell, even when everything goes right for you in a season, you're undefeated Patriots can get beat by a 7 loss team like the Giants.

[Gunakor]

Re: Stupid

Bretsky, were you happy with Brett Favre as QB?

Now your going to compare a QB and GM? Congrat's my friend. You just set the bar for the dumbest sports statement of all time.........

Packnut, were you happy with Ron Wolf as GM?

[run pMc]

My 2 cents...

I think TT is a shrewder judge of talent and better GM than Sherman was.

I think there's a delay-effect in draft picks and their impact on the W-L record. Few rookies become starters or impact players from day 1. It happens, but rarely.

I think it's interesting how people hate on TT so much as GM and compare him to Sherman, but yet M3 gets a pass. TT buys the groceries, M3 is the chef. Not saying I don't like M3, but I don't always agree with some of the things he does.

Let's not forget -- the players are the ones who have to line up and play the game. It's the coaches job to teach them and put them in position to succeed. It's the GM's job to acquire talented and coachable players. By that definition, TT is doing is job well.

[Joemailman]

It's also the GM's job to hire the right coach. Would Wolf have won a Super Bowl if he'd kept Infante instead of hiring Holmgren? I'm not down on McCarthy yet, but his first shot at putting together a defensive staff was a failure, and I thought he made some real mistakes last year. McCarthy's performance has to be factored in when evaluating Thompson.

[swede]

It's also the GM's job to hire the right coach. Would Wolf have won a Super Bowl if he'd kept Infante instead of hiring Holmgren? I'm not down on McCarthy yet, but his first shot at putting together a defensive staff was a failure, and I thought he made some real mistakes last year. McCarthy's performance has to be factored in when evaluating Thompson.

I think there is a lot of truth to this, Joe.

Still, even though it sucks that MMM had to cash in his chips and start over on D, I am pumped about the upcoming season because of the changes in coaching and scheme. Dom Capers at DC? Wow.

[Bretsky]

1 in 32 seems too convenient; don't tell the better organizations about those odds as they'd find them unacceptable.

Giants, Steelers, Colts, Patriots

If you deem yourself to have one of the better organizations and the better GM's the 1/32 picture is a IMO just a convenient excuse for not winning the big one

The Giants went 15 years or something between Bill Parcells' SB winning Giants and Tom Coughlin's. The Colts went something like 30 years between Unitas' SB winning Baltimore Colts and Manning's SB winning Indianapolis Colts. Ask the better organizations like these two and I think they'd tell you that a lot has to go right to win one, that it's not so easy as to expect to win one every 5 or 6 years. Hell, even when everything goes right for you in a season, you're undefeated Patriots can get beat by a 7 loss team like the Giants.

So the Giants won 2 in 16 years; Colts...may not have been a perfect example. Steelers and Patriots seems to be the cream of the crop. Regardless we strive to build a franchise like some of the best organizations are able to do. One might argue Wolf was close but we never got there. One might also argue if Dallas was not so dominant GB might have won a couple more titles. I just don't buy the 1 in 32 theory