Two situations where I wouldn't mind a receiver being picked

[Packnut]

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Great idea! By taking Harvin, Jolly would have someone to get high with......

[PlantPage55]

Here's the problem with having a Fitz/Boldin type combo. There aren't enough balls to go around. There just aren't.

You wanna pay 2 top flight receivers like that? Look at the problems Arizona had with getting both of their deals done. And Boldin's not happy.

I just think a clear #1 - #2 - #3 progression works much better than trying to stack the receiving corps. If anything, we could use a top flight RUNNING BACK with our 1st pick, if we go with a skill position. Balance this offense out a bit.

[run pMc]

Offensive tackles do very rarely. Other than Tony Mandarich and Robert Gallery, there really haven't been any OT busts in the first round in the modern era.

I don't think Ross Verba counts, but how about John Michels? Mike Williams?
OK, so there have been a few OT busts, but I agree the WR bust rate is MUCH higher. I'm starting to think TT should trade down for a late R1 and a R2, pick W.Beatty as the future LT, and maybe look at OLB's with the R2 picks.

Taking a WR in R1 is riskier, and (ignoring BPA for the moment) not a need. I don't think TT picks a WR in R1 unless Crabtree is at 9. Good player, though. Having said that, I don't think Crabtree is available at 9...another post made a good point about teams picking before GB not having a #1 WR.

As for Harvin, there have been a lot of "character-risk" flags raised publicly, although it seems like it's pot-related. He might have some bad friends...dunno. Could just be a smokescreen by another agent or a personnel guy. Either way, I don't think a guy like Harvin (character risk WR out of UF) is worthy of the #9 pick, and even if TT was sitting at #20 I'm not sure he takes him. I have trouble envisioning him beating Driver, Jennings, Nelson, and Jones for the top spot anytime soon, and spending your R1 on a #4 or #5 WR is highly questionable.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If Crabtree drops, draft him. I don't want any of the other receivers--even with a trade down.

[chain_gang]

I would love to see Crabs fall, he's a Dwayne Bowe type with better hands, making him as close to a Sterling Sharpe clone as I have seen. He may not have the greatest speed, but he makes the secondary work to bring him down, and does not shy away from contact. Crabs is the type of receiver you want in GB in the months of Nov, Dec, Jan. Harvin is the type you want if you have a dome overhead or play in a warm weather city. Imagine defenders trying to bring down Crabs in crappy weather, they'll have to have textbook tackles on the guy.

Here's a sample.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm9gAYutAwg&feature=related

[Partial]

You might be right, Partial. Harvin could be on of the great playmakers picked up outside of the top 10 and many teams might look back in hindsight wishing they had him.

He's not quite as dynamic as DeSean Jackson, but he's a lot stronger. I like what I see of Harvin better than Crabtree (who catches everything wide open from a spread offense) and doesn't play very tough.

I have no idea if he's stronger, but I definitely think he is shiftier and faster than Jackson. He reminds me more of Bush than Jackson, and imo will be used more like Bush (scat back) than Jackson (they send him deep a lot)

I don't know what Crabtree you're watching, but I'm seeing a guy who consistently beats double coverage and is a man among boys on the field.

[Lurker64]

I don't know what Crabtree you're watching, but I'm seeing a guy who consistently beats double coverage and is a man among boys on the field.

At the same time though, Big 12 defenses are notoriously bad at stopping the Big 12 spread offense.

[Partial]

The only problem I could see with Crabs is the Bolden/Fitz not enough balls scenario. I just don't see any way this guy busts. He's incredibly talented.

[Deputy Nutz]

Here's the problem with having a Fitz/Boldin type combo. There aren't enough balls to go around. There just aren't.

You wanna pay 2 top flight receivers like that? Look at the problems Arizona had with getting both of their deals done. And Boldin's not happy.

I just think a clear #1 - #2 - #3 progression works much better than trying to stack the receiving corps. If anything, we could use a top flight RUNNING BACK with our 1st pick, if we go with a skill position. Balance this offense out a bit.

Arizona is a very cheap franchise. That is the reason why they "don't" have the money to go around. Bolden is also a client of the devil. Two things that cause problems with having two standout WRs

[cpk1994]

I don't know what Crabtree you're watching, but I'm seeing a guy who consistently beats double coverage and is a man among boys on the field.

At the same time though, Big 12 defenses are notoriously bad at stopping the Big 12 spread offense.

You know the old saying, "There's no 'D' in Big 12". I feel that, along with the Texas tech system, is why I would stay away from him. I think he is a system WR.

[Partial]

Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas all had decent defensives.

I don't know how you guys can think "System receiver" where he see a clip like this where he is quite frankly a man among boys. This guy is crazy good. He's an elite prospect, and not based on his combine measurables like Charles Rodgers, Dante Stallworth, etc. This cat is all college production. That right there should say everything you need to know.

IMO, this guy is the premiere player in the draft. This guy is up there with Calvin and Fitz in terms of prospects.

Note he has a knack for the big play in the big moment. This guy is a straight up gamer.

He could be playing div 1 basketball. That shows what kind of an elite athlete he is. He defines game speed versus 40 speed. He is the fastest player on the field during the games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aJZsjImymc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsonline.com%2Fblogs%2Fsports%2F42613727.html&feature=player_embedded

[PlantPage55]

I don't know how you guys can think "System receiver" where he see a clip like this where he is quite frankly a man among boys. This guy is crazy good. He's an elite prospect, and not based on his combine measurables like Charles Rodgers, Dante Stallworth, etc. This cat is all college production.

He is elite and he WILL succeed in the NFL, you're right, Partial. And hey, I couldn't argue with adding a player of his caliber to this team. The more I think about it...I'd take him any day.

[Partial]

Here's a good clip of Harvin. I think Florida did a very good job using this player.

He defines System receiver imo. You've got to use him in a certain way to really get the benefit of a guy like him. Sending him out on deep patterns play after play is not doing justice to his unique skill set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34--XTjboDI

One thing this clip shows is that he always has good blocking, and that could be why he looks so much faster than everyone else.

The clip posted makes him look for of a north and south player than Bush. I don't know if thats actually reflected on a typical play. He likes to use space laterally a lot from what I've seen.

[Lurker64]

Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas all had decent defensives.

They did? In terms of "2008 division I football passing defense" Oklahoma was 99th in the nation, Texas was 104th in the nation, Kansas was 114th in the nation, and Missouri was 117th in the nation. In rushing defense all those teams did well (3, 20, 28, 31), but the rush defenses weren't expected to stop Crabtree. That's the pass defense's job, and nobody in the big 12 stopped anybody from throwing the ball, the most successful passing defense in the big 12 belonged to lowly Colorado who finished 72nd in the nation (behind eight of the eleven big ten teams).

In terms of scoring defense, Texas finished a respectable 18th, but Oklahoma, Missouri, and Kansas were 58th, 69th, and 82nd in the nation.

I wouldn't say any of these are "decent". There are only 119 teams in division I FBS college football.

(You can find these statistics here)

[Partial]

Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas all had decent defensives.

They did? In terms of "2008 division I football passing defense" Oklahoma was 99th in the nation, Texas was 104th in the nation, Kansas was 114th in the nation, and Missouri was 117th in the nation. In rushing defense all those teams did well (3, 20, 28, 31), but the rush defenses weren't expected to stop Crabtree. That's the pass defense's job, and nobody in the big 12 stopped anybody from throwing the ball, the most successful passing defense in the big 12 belonged to lowly Colorado who finished 72nd in the nation (behind eight of the eleven big ten teams).

In terms of scoring defense, Texas finished a respectable 18th, but Oklahoma, Missouri, and Kansas were 58th, 69th, and 82nd in the nation.

I wouldn't say any of these are "decent". There are only 119 teams in division I FBS college football.

(You can find these statistics here)

That's fair I only looked up total defense. Maybe the reason the defenses ranked so low was 'cause of Crabtree destroying them Just kidding