It's Curse Of Bretsky Time...

[Bretsky]

With the curse of Bretsky, anyone can be a talent evaluator. If Bretsky swears by a guy, he's doomed.

This year, it's Crabtree. Whoever picks him will see him injured, busted, or lazy.

However, the Pack has never drafted a guy Bretsky likes, so maybe if the Pack drafts Crabtree that won't happen.

Actually if you recall there was one; I wrote an article for the site on why TT should draft AJ Hawk over Vernon Davis.

I wonder if that's why he's underachieved

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Dude, why are you thread crapping Harelll? Moreno? Moreno has skills but he isn't an elite prospect because he is slow. Other than that you've got to love his shake and bake.

I don't know why you don't like Crabtree, but to me that is a reaffirmation that he is going to be very, very good. I don't get the system wideout claims really, as you consistently see him over power people in traffic and in double coverage to make the big play.

Take the play to beat the Longhorns, for example. Double covered, in a clutch moment, guy makes a huge play and manages to maintain body position and stay in bounds. Hell of a grab, and the type of play you want to see.

Let's not kid ourselves. This guy has done something very rare in college, and has looked great doing it.

Please stop positioning yourself as some sort of talent evaluator....Money Morency called, he wants his career back.

As for Moreno, he is as elite as Crabtree. Both have a weakness..speed. Moreno was freshmen all american, 2 x all sec, 2nd in the doak as a soph. All this playing in a pretty easy offense...no complex passing game to take advantage of his receiving skills.

That is elite.

I liked Morency is his first season here and made an argument he could be a solid starter and 1500 yard back if behind a great line. The Money Morency thign was a joke after he proved to be a dud. You get that, right?

I just don't see Moreno in Crab's league. Crabtree put of legendary numbers. Moreno's are great no doubt, but are more common than what Crabtree did.

[The Shadow]

After we draft yet another wide receiver to bolster the one area we are loaded. let's go right ahead and draft another quarterback and placekicker.

[Packnut]

Picks

With the curse of Bretsky, anyone can be a talent evaluator. If Bretsky swears by a guy, he's doomed.

This year, it's Crabtree. Whoever picks him will see him injured, busted, or lazy.

However, the Pack has never drafted a guy Bretsky likes, so maybe if the Pack drafts Crabtree that won't happen.

Actually if you recall there was one; I wrote an article for the site on why TT should draft AJ Hawk over Vernon Davis.

I wonder if that's why he's underachieved

While the "curse" charge has some merrit, it's not totally true. You were ok with my choices of Bowe and Nelson in the ill-fated Harrell draft. Both of those guys have contributed a helluva lot more than Mr Harrell.

As for Crabby, I believe he might be more a "system" product than what some believe. I hope he's gone by 9 so Teddy is'nt tempted.

[Lurker64]

Re: Picks

While the "curse" charge has some merrit, it's not totally true. You were ok with my choices of Bowe and Nelson in the ill-fated Harrell draft. Both of those guys have contributed a helluva lot more than Mr Harrell.

I'd say that Harrell vs. Meachem is a push so far, with Harrell having brighter prospects, though

As for Crabby, I believe he might be more a "system" product than what some believe. I hope he's gone by 9 so Teddy is'nt tempted.

Totally agree here. I hope he's gone, and he probably will be. I'm not a fan of taking any WRs in the first round over comparably rated prospects who play other positions. WRs just influence so few plays a game, and we have so many pretty good to great ones already.

If you have two players rated comparably on your board, "take the one who plays closes to the ball" is a pretty good tiebreaker, IMO.

[Fritz]

With the curse of Bretsky, anyone can be a talent evaluator. If Bretsky swears by a guy, he's doomed.

This year, it's Crabtree. Whoever picks him will see him injured, busted, or lazy.

However, the Pack has never drafted a guy Bretsky likes, so maybe if the Pack drafts Crabtree that won't happen.

Actually if you recall there was one; I wrote an article for the site on why TT should draft AJ Hawk over Vernon Davis.

I wonder if that's why he's underachieved

As Scooby would say, "Ruh-roh."

Should we, as Packer fans, hope the Packers draft someone you don't like?

Or would that just be the Ferg-meister all over again?

I admit, however, I thought he was a good pick. Doh!

[SnakeLH2006]

Bret, don't let them forget about Beanie Wells. Snake seen that guy play, looks OK, maybe a good player...Snake don't see it though. No Jim Brown...more like Vaughn Dunbar...top Saint pick early 90's (look it up).

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Bret, don't let them forget about Beanie Wells. Snake seen that guy play, looks OK, maybe a good player...Snake don't see it though. No Jim Brown...more like Vaughn Dunbar...top Saint pick early 90's (look it up).

Agreed. He's JAG who played in the Big Ten and put up numbers because that's what an OSU back does in that offense. He's as "Big Ten" of a back as Ron Dayne was... I don't see it.

Also with Packnut and Lurk on hoping Crabtree is gone by #9... part of me likes the pick - is excited by it -- but the other part of me wants no part in it. I don't want TT to have that temptation either.

[pbmax]

I am as big a believer in the Curse O Bretsky as anyone, but picking at nine might cool his mojo (see AJ Hawk). I don't recall who Bretsky liked last year, but was Chad Jackson a Bretsky guy, or was that Harv that had a hard time believing we took Jennings when we could have taken Chad (actually half the board was flabbergasted by that one)?

All in good fun B, I'm pretty sure you know that. I don't have the time or knowledge to do anything other than pay cursory attention.

As for Driver and a second round pick, WSSP is dipping into their own supply. The Browns best offer for Braylon Edwards right now is a two and a four. And Waldo is right, the Cardinals can't get much more than a low one for Boldin. Driver would not command a 2, even if his price tag is very reasonable. DD is tremendous, but cagey vets don't command that kind of pick.

Even the Cowboys overpaying for Roy Williams can't drive his price up that high.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't recall who Bretsky liked last year, but was Chad Jackson a Bretsky guy, or was that Harv that had a hard time believing we took Jennings when we could have taken Chad (actually half the board was flabbergasted by that one)?

I liked Chad Jackson (and Robert Meachem), but I didn't get bent out of shape with the Jennings pick. (Well, not after an initial WTF moment.) I know that I don't know squat, so I'm willing to give a guy a chance. Bretsky was the one that got bent out of shape.

[swede]

With the curse of Bretsky, anyone can be a talent evaluator. If Bretsky swears by a guy, he's doomed.

This year, it's Crabtree. Whoever picks him will see him injured, busted, or lazy.

However, the Pack has never drafted a guy Bretsky likes, so maybe if the Pack drafts Crabtree that won't happen.

Actually if you recall there was one; I wrote an article for the site on why TT should draft AJ Hawk over Vernon Davis.

I wonder if that's why he's underachieved

You were stoked--you spammed the draft day thread with big honking letters enshrining the moment we picked Hawk. i was tickled at your enthusiasm.

In retrospect, you should have written: Nice guy. He'll be fine.

[cpk1994]

They were talking about the very real possibility of Machlin and Crabtree being there at 9. They said if so, those two are without a doubt the best players in the draft and they should go that route.

They also said they would likely deal DD for a second if they landed one of those two.

"They." Ah, the ubiquitous "they." Who are "they"?

I am assuming crack smokers(Not Tyrone). They have to be smoking a pipe to think that Driver would be traded.

[cpk1994]

I don't recall who Bretsky liked last year, but was Chad Jackson a Bretsky guy, or was that Harv that had a hard time believing we took Jennings when we could have taken Chad (actually half the board was flabbergasted by that one)?

I liked Chad Jackson (and Robert Meachem), but I didn't get bent out of shape with the Jennings pick. (Well, not after an initial WTF moment.) I know that I don't know squat, so I'm willing to give a guy a chance. Bretsky was the one that got bent out of shape.

I remember that thread well. Bretsky wasn't the only one bent out of shape over Jackson being passed over. I had a good laugh over the absurdity of it all. Even the rant from Tank.

[Lurker64]

They were talking about the very real possibility of Machlin and Crabtree being there at 9. They said if so, those two are without a doubt the best players in the draft and they should go that route.

I'm not buying Maclin as a legit top 10 talent. He's going to go high because a lot of people need WRs this year and Al Davis loves straight line speed, but he's very much an unfinished product and the "bust" potential is very high.

[Bretsky]

Bret, don't let them forget about Beanie Wells. Snake seen that guy play, looks OK, maybe a good player...Snake don't see it though. No Jim Brown...more like Vaughn Dunbar...top Saint pick early 90's (look it up).

Snake

Ya gotta look back at the context of that post; I was making an example that if TTT things Wells or Crab is a star then he should not hesitate.

I believe it was Waldo who loved the Beanman

Bretsky loves the Crab; I don't have much of a view either way on Beanie