Final Mock Offseason

[Freak Out]

That would be a hell of a draft. Here's to hoping Waldo Pepper is right.

[Fritz]

I'd take that. And it'd be interesting, if it happened, to see who lines up at the LDE spot on opening day, if Jolly is suspended.

Will Harrell be healthy? Would a raw rook be able to step in? Would - cringe - Mike Montgomery have to line up as the starter?

[mraynrand]

I bet the lunatic anti-Ted Thompson nutters who respond to JSO blogs will go absolutely ape shit psycho if Ted drafts a running back in the first round. It seems that a lot of people outside this board (and maybe here too?) think the Packers are completely set at running back.

Waldo - you may have addressed this elsewhere already, but what do you think of Clay Matthews?

[Waldo]

I bet the lunatic anti-Ted Thompson nutters who respond to JSO blogs will go absolutely ape shit psycho if Ted drafts a running back in the first round. It seems that a lot of people outside this board (and maybe here too?) think the Packers are completely set at running back.

Waldo - you may have addressed this elsewhere already, but what do you think of Clay Matthews?

I love Clay.

Clay, Barwin, and English are my favorite OLB prospects this class.

I think there are three kinds of guys that are successful at 3-4 OLB:

Freaks - This is your Merriman, Ware, Wimbley type. Maybin would fit in with this group, as would Barwin. Physically everything you look for. Tall, fast and long. Jeremy Thompson is this type of guy. Lawrence Sidbury is a little later prospect amongst this group.

Crazies - This is your Kevin Greene, Harrison type. Little guys with a screw loose that go all out and have zero fear. Pops fits in with this group, as does Matthews and Williams. Phillip Hunt is a late round guy that belongs here too.

Relentless - This is your Woodley, Suggs type, the guys that go 110% every second on the field, that have some sanity. Technicians. Kamp is amongst this group, this year Everette Brown and Larry English fit in here. Veikune is a lesser prospect that fits the bill.

I think that Clay, in a 3-4 scheme, is going to be the second coming of Kevin Greene. Their game is very similar. I don't see him as much of a 4-3 LB though, aside from a really good sam.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Man....if Teddy T picks up a RB at #12 or #9, Snake swears his Youtube video will be better than this, and I do plan on using a HD vid recorder to sit around with his buds and tape the first pick...just in case it gets this bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_dBns0i2vw

Classic highlights at 1:22, 1:57, and 2:14.

You gonna aim for YouTube flipout glory, swing for this fence instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pR1rZZHEs&feature=related

[TheCheese]

I bet the lunatic anti-Ted Thompson nutters who respond to JSO blogs will go absolutely ape shit psycho if Ted drafts a running back in the first round. It seems that a lot of people outside this board (and maybe here too?) think the Packers are completely set at running back.

Waldo - you may have addressed this elsewhere already, but what do you think of Clay Matthews?

I love Clay.

Clay, Barwin, and English are my favorite OLB prospects this class.

I think there are three kinds of guys that are successful at 3-4 OLB:

Freaks - This is your Merriman, Ware, Wimbley type. Maybin would fit in with this group, as would Barwin. Physically everything you look for. Tall, fast and long. Jeremy Thompson is this type of guy. Lawrence Sidbury is a little later prospect amongst this group.

Crazies - This is your Kevin Greene, Harrison type. Little guys with a screw loose that go all out and have zero fear. Pops fits in with this group, as does Matthews and Williams. Phillip Hunt is a late round guy that belongs here too.

Relentless - This is your Woodley, Suggs type, the guys that go 110% every second on the field, that have some sanity. Technicians. Kamp is amongst this group, this year Everette Brown and Larry English fit in here. Veikune is a lesser prospect that fits the bill.

I think that Clay, in a 3-4 scheme, is going to be the second coming of Kevin Greene. Their game is very similar. I don't see him as much of a 4-3 LB though, aside from a really good sam.

This is pretty spot on except I'm not crazy about Clay, but the other two guys you mentioned are studs. Barwin is a physical freak and like you said English is relentless. Last few years I haven't been too vocal on who I want Green Bay to draft but English this year is that guy. I'm looking forward to seeing him play in the NFL and hopefully it's in green and gold.

[Gunakor]

Re: Final Mock Offseason

#12 - Knowshon Moreno, RB, 5'11", 217lb

Knowshon literally is the perfect running back prospect, minus his long speed. Blocking, catching, character, leadership, competitiveness, slipping every tackle, and downright nose for the endzone. TT can see it, sense it, his "it" will transfer to the pro level, Knowshon, along with Rodgers, Colledge, Jennings, and Finley, completes the QB, LT, RB, WR, TE formula for dominance, this young core is ready to shred the NFL for a decade. Knowshon is the "over the hump" player that completes it. MM drools over a back that is such a factor in the running and passing game. This years first sucks. Knowshon is a very safe pick. The kid is too much of a natural to not be good.

Brandon Jackson wouldn't see the field very often at all if we drafted a RB with our first pick, and Ryan Grant would possibly be upset by it as well.

Honestly, I don't think we need to draft a RB. Especially that high. The Grant/Jackson tandem will be awesome for us this year, and I like Lumpkin as our #3 (also a Georgia back who was pretty good).

Moreno is probably going to be a special player in this league for some team, but I feel he might be wasted a bit on our team. And if he's not wasted on our team, it means someone else is. I'd rather we took someone else.

[sheepshead]

Re: Final Mock Offseason

#12 - Knowshon Moreno, RB, 5'11", 217lb

Knowshon literally is the perfect running back prospect, minus his long speed. Blocking, catching, character, leadership, competitiveness, slipping every tackle, and downright nose for the endzone. TT can see it, sense it, his "it" will transfer to the pro level, Knowshon, along with Rodgers, Colledge, Jennings, and Finley, completes the QB, LT, RB, WR, TE formula for dominance, this young core is ready to shred the NFL for a decade. Knowshon is the "over the hump" player that completes it. MM drools over a back that is such a factor in the running and passing game. This years first sucks. Knowshon is a very safe pick. The kid is too much of a natural to not be good.

Brandon Jackson wouldn't see the field very often at all if we drafted a RB with our first pick, and Ryan Grant would possibly be upset by it as well.

Honestly, I don't think we need to draft a RB. Especially that high. The Grant/Jackson tandem will be awesome for us this year, and I like Lumpkin as our #3 (also a Georgia back who was pretty good).

Moreno is probably going to be a special player in this league for some team, but I feel he might be wasted a bit on our team. And if he's not wasted on our team, it means someone else is. I'd rather we took someone else.

pssst..we get more than one pick!

[Gunakor]

Re: Final Mock Offseason

#12 - Knowshon Moreno, RB, 5'11", 217lb

Knowshon literally is the perfect running back prospect, minus his long speed. Blocking, catching, character, leadership, competitiveness, slipping every tackle, and downright nose for the endzone. TT can see it, sense it, his "it" will transfer to the pro level, Knowshon, along with Rodgers, Colledge, Jennings, and Finley, completes the QB, LT, RB, WR, TE formula for dominance, this young core is ready to shred the NFL for a decade. Knowshon is the "over the hump" player that completes it. MM drools over a back that is such a factor in the running and passing game. This years first sucks. Knowshon is a very safe pick. The kid is too much of a natural to not be good.

Brandon Jackson wouldn't see the field very often at all if we drafted a RB with our first pick, and Ryan Grant would possibly be upset by it as well.

Honestly, I don't think we need to draft a RB. Especially that high. The Grant/Jackson tandem will be awesome for us this year, and I like Lumpkin as our #3 (also a Georgia back who was pretty good).

Moreno is probably going to be a special player in this league for some team, but I feel he might be wasted a bit on our team. And if he's not wasted on our team, it means someone else is. I'd rather we took someone else.

pssst..we get more than one pick!

Do we get more than one pick @ #12? Waldo has him being picked by Green Bay at #12. Somebody's services are being wasted if we pick Moreno at #12. What do our other picks have to do with this assessment?

[Lurker64]

Re: Final Mock Offseason

Do we get more than one pick @ #12? Waldo has him being picked by Green Bay at #12. Somebody's services are being wasted if we pick Moreno at #12. What do our other picks have to do with this assessment?

Just asking, would you pass up a chance to pick a special player just because he would displace a couple of average guys who play his position?

*IF* you think that Moreno is a special player, it does make sense from that perspective.

[Fritz]

But then...what if Moreno is awesome awesome??? Wouldn't you love having that guy slashing past would-be tacklers? Would you be willing to relegate Jackson to third down duty, and have Moreno split carries with Grant?

I don't know. I see what you're saying. Guess I'd still like to see Raji or Jackson, but I could handle Moreno.

Everette Brown, not so much.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Good for you to post your mock Waldo. Takes a pair to throw a complete draft that goes against the grain of what is thought of here.

[Gunakor]

Re: Final Mock Offseason

Do we get more than one pick @ #12? Waldo has him being picked by Green Bay at #12. Somebody's services are being wasted if we pick Moreno at #12. What do our other picks have to do with this assessment?

Just asking, would you pass up a chance to pick a special player just because he would displace a couple of average guys who play his position?

*IF* you think that Moreno is a special player, it does make sense from that perspective.

I would pass him up, only because it's pick #12 at that point. We could pick a special player at another position instead.

Besides, I don't think of Ryan Grant as merely average either. Moreno might be a bit better than Grant, but is it worth spending a #12 pick to upgrade when there are bigger needs on the team? You know that early there's going to be someone on the board that would be an upgrade at another position. Offensive tackle maybe - trade down and get Britton later in the round, who has as good a chance to be a special player as Moreno but at a position of greater need, and get a better pick as compensation on top of it.

[Waldo]

At best there are 5-15 true special players taken in a single draft.

Greg is a special player. Rodgers might become one. Nick is on the fringe.

When you think you see one, and feel secure about it, take him, no matter what position he plays.

Needs can be filled by role players. Special players are truly rare and often are not what you need to fill your holes. But the more special players you have, the better your team is.

Remember the draft is not for next year. The draft is for 5 years from now, when needs are totally different.

[Gunakor]

At best there are 5-15 true special players taken in a single draft.

Greg is a special player. Rodgers might become one. Nick is on the fringe.

When you think you see one, and feel secure about it, take him, no matter what position he plays.

Needs can be filled by role players. Special players are truly rare and often are not what you need to fill your holes. But the more special players you have, the better your team is.

Remember the draft is not for next year. The draft is for 5 years from now, when needs are totally different.

I don't think Moreno is THAT special. Sure, if I thought he was going to be the next Barry Sanders or LaDanian Tomlinson, I wouldn't hesitate. But I don't get that feeling from Moreno, and neither do 11 teams picking before us in your mock. He's going to be very good, maybe great. Same feeling I get from Ryan Grant. I'm amazed that so many people consider Ryan Grant to be merely average and are calling for his demotion. Especially a demotion in favor of a rookie.

It's just not worth the pick to me, because I feel Jackson could be great as a DE and we don't have anyone else I think could be great there already. I feel Britton could be a special OT and we don't have anyone who gives me that feeling there either. Moreno doesn't strike me a whole lot more than Ryan Grant. There's the difference IMO.