Final Mock Offseason

[Lurker64]

I don't think Moreno is THAT special. Sure, if I thought he was going to be the next Barry Sanders or LaDanian Tomlinson, I wouldn't hesitate. But I don't get that feeling from Moreno, and neither do 11 teams picking before us in your mock. He's going to be very good, maybe great.

I can very easily see Moreno as the next Brian Westbrook. If you could draft a 21 year old Brian Westbrook at 12, would you?

It's just not worth the pick to me, because I feel Jackson could be great as a DE and we don't have anyone else I think could be great there already. I feel Britton could be a special OT and we don't have anyone who gives me that feeling there either.

Jackson was long gone in Waldo's scenario, and Britton is even more of a reach at 12 than Moreno is, though he fills more of a need. Hell, why would you take Britton with Oher on the board?

[Waldo]

I don't think Moreno is THAT special. Sure, if I thought he was going to be the next Barry Sanders or LaDanian Tomlinson, I wouldn't hesitate. But I don't get that feeling from Moreno, and neither do 11 teams picking before us in your mock. He's going to be very good, maybe great.

I can very easily see Moreno as the next Brian Westbrook. If you could draft a 21 year old Brian Westbrook at 12, would you?

It's just not worth the pick to me, because I feel Jackson could be great as a DE and we don't have anyone else I think could be great there already. I feel Britton could be a special OT and we don't have anyone who gives me that feeling there either.

Jackson was long gone in Waldo's scenario, and Britton is even more of a reach at 12 than Moreno is, though he fills more of a need. Hell, why would you take Britton with Oher on the board?

I think that the worst you'll see out of Knowshon is a Fred Taylor like career (minus the injuries).

Knowshon never gets hit and is durable as can be.

He runs an awful lot like some of the great ones, who themselves weren't very fast.

How is it that this kid who isn't very fast, or big, that ran behind a banged up line built of green underclassmen, is the 2nd most productive RB in UGA history in only a year and a half of starting, that looked like one of the great ones from his very first snap?

[Gunakor]

I don't think Moreno is THAT special. Sure, if I thought he was going to be the next Barry Sanders or LaDanian Tomlinson, I wouldn't hesitate. But I don't get that feeling from Moreno, and neither do 11 teams picking before us in your mock. He's going to be very good, maybe great.

I can very easily see Moreno as the next Brian Westbrook. If you could draft a 21 year old Brian Westbrook at 12, would you?

It's just not worth the pick to me, because I feel Jackson could be great as a DE and we don't have anyone else I think could be great there already. I feel Britton could be a special OT and we don't have anyone who gives me that feeling there either.

Jackson was long gone in Waldo's scenario, and Britton is even more of a reach at 12 than Moreno is, though he fills more of a need. Hell, why would you take Britton with Oher on the board?

First, like I said, if I felt Moreno was that special absolutely I'd draft him at 12. But I don't get that feeling from him nor any other back in this draft. And if I did feel that way about him, I'd just draft him at #9 expecting that other people felt that way about him too.

Second, I wouldn't reach for Britton at #12. I wouldn't be picking at #12, I'd have traded down to #22 or later and drafted Britton late in the first round. That way I'd have gotten my OT and have gotten a 2nd round pick in return as opposed to a 3rd.

[sheepshead]

Re: Final Mock Offseason

#12 - Knowshon Moreno, RB, 5'11", 217lb

Knowshon literally is the perfect running back prospect, minus his long speed. Blocking, catching, character, leadership, competitiveness, slipping every tackle, and downright nose for the endzone. TT can see it, sense it, his "it" will transfer to the pro level, Knowshon, along with Rodgers, Colledge, Jennings, and Finley, completes the QB, LT, RB, WR, TE formula for dominance, this young core is ready to shred the NFL for a decade. Knowshon is the "over the hump" player that completes it. MM drools over a back that is such a factor in the running and passing game. This years first sucks. Knowshon is a very safe pick. The kid is too much of a natural to not be good.

Brandon Jackson wouldn't see the field very often at all if we drafted a RB with our first pick, and Ryan Grant would possibly be upset by it as well.

Honestly, I don't think we need to draft a RB. Especially that high. The Grant/Jackson tandem will be awesome for us this year, and I like Lumpkin as our #3 (also a Georgia back who was pretty good).

Moreno is probably going to be a special player in this league for some team, but I feel he might be wasted a bit on our team. And if he's not wasted on our team, it means someone else is. I'd rather we took someone else.

pssst..we get more than one pick!

Do we get more than one pick @ #12? Waldo has him being picked by Green Bay at #12. Somebody's services are being wasted if we pick Moreno at #12. What do our other picks have to do with this assessment?

No man, but you act like this pick is life or death. Its a total crap shoot. We are going to have other picks to fill other needs. If TT is going to spend #9 money, I would rather have him spend it on a guy that will be carrying the ball. Not that defensive players cant make an impact. Grant is still a question mark as the "long term answer" besides the careers of halfbacks are only a little longer than fullbacks. Taking a defensive guy in the top 10 you better feel real good about him IMO. Otherwise, theres plenty of other picks for far less money.

[Gunakor]

Re: Final Mock Offseason

Do we get more than one pick @ #12? Waldo has him being picked by Green Bay at #12. Somebody's services are being wasted if we pick Moreno at #12. What do our other picks have to do with this assessment?

No man, but you act like this pick is life or death. Its a total crap shoot. We are going to have other picks to fill other needs. If TT is going to spend #9 money, I would rather have him spend it on a guy that will be carrying the ball. Not that defensive players cant make an impact. Grant is still a question mark as the "long term answer" besides the careers of halfbacks are only a little longer than fullbacks. Taking a defensive guy in the top 10 you better feel real good about him IMO. Otherwise, theres plenty of other picks for far less money.

Well, taking a player at any position in the top 10 you'd better feel real good about. If TT is going to spend #9 money, I'd rather he spend it wisely. Like I have been saying, I have no doubt that Moreno is going to be a very good player in this league. But at #9, or #12 as Waldo has us picking in his mock, there are other guys who are going to be very good players in this league - every bit as good as Moreno IMO - at positions of much greater need to us than halfback is.

I guess I just don't think Moreno is going to be a HOF back like some of you think he is going to be. And if I did think that way about him, I'd just draft him at #9 rather than trade down 3 spots and risk losing him.

[Partial]

This guy is a talent. I proclaimed him earlier as a Brian Westbrook kind of guy. I stand by that. Could definitely see him thriving in a role ala Westbrook.

[swede]

Man....if Teddy T picks up a RB at #12 or #9, Snake swears his Youtube video will be better than this, and I do plan on using a HD vid recorder to sit around with his buds and tape the first pick...just in case it gets this bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_dBns0i2vw

Classic highlights at 1:22, 1:57, and 2:14.

You gonna aim for YouTube flipout glory, swing for this fence instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8pR1...eature=related

I may be the only person on the planet that hasn't seen the crazy German kid go off. And now my life is altered forever.
I not only watched all four and a half minutes with my jaw hanging open, but I also spent another twenty minutes watching all the permutations with the faux translations. (Crazy German Kid vs. the Numa Numa kid was probably the best.)

[swede]

Waldo, not only do you know football pretty good, but you could work for the FBI as a profiler. In the 70's you could have worked in the CIA as a Kremlinologist.

That mock walks and talks like Ted. And I'd be quite okay with it. And the national media will give it a C. And three years later more of our guys will be on the team than the teams given A's and B's by the draft "experts" who are, now that I think about it, nothing more than sports journalists/entertainers.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: Final Mock Offseason

I would pass him up, only because it's pick #12 at that point. We could pick a special player at another position instead.

Besides, I don't think of Ryan Grant as merely average either. Moreno might be a bit better than Grant, but is it worth spending a #12 pick to upgrade when there are bigger needs on the team? You know that early there's going to be someone on the board that would be an upgrade at another position. Offensive tackle maybe - trade down and get Britton later in the round, who has as good a chance to be a special player as Moreno but at a position of greater need, and get a better pick as compensation on top of it.

Yep, yep, yep, and ahh..yep.

Snake agrees with that astute assessment Gunakor. I know I bash Grant from time to time, but he IS a serviceable starter...Do I think that an upgrade is necessary right now, nope...but over time yes...So let's get the yards out of him while we are paying him now. He's slightly above average for a starting RB, nothing less, nothing more. But fine for now. Besides, isn't our awesome zone block scheme supposed to enhance talent making it possible for FA rook scrubs to step in for 1500 yards anyway?

Moreno might be great, so could Beanie, but that seems kinda lame to spend that pick that high on a RB that is all over the board from #10-#20 or so. Now if that was AP from the Vikes a few years ago, fuck ya, trade up for him....Snake really wanted that guy. But unless this guy is a primo talent that is sure-fire...no need to go that route right now is all.

Grant's OK for now...can we all say the same for DE's (fuck no)...DT (maybe for this year as Pickett is a FA next year)...passrushers (do we have ANY with nicknames not rhyming with Scampi, Lampee, or Dampy...?)...etc. OT...some say Colledge will be a beast...ok, then what about RT? Tauchy is hurt and a FA. Upgrading either of those OT spots would mean much more than Moreno, as he's not a sure-fire stud, and then what relegate Grant and his $4-5 million to the bench for a slight upgrade, maybe better?

None of these guys are in the first round are can't-miss prospects (for so long as Snake can remember...where are the sure-fire studs this year?...not saying this draft is weak, just really all over at the top), so why strong-arm that pick into making it into something it isn't? An unproven at this point at a deece position when those needs are so dire elsewhere is not too awesome.

[mission]

At best there are 5-15 true special players taken in a single draft.

Greg is a special player. Rodgers might become one. Nick is on the fringe.

When you think you see one, and feel secure about it, take him, no matter what position he plays.

Needs can be filled by role players. Special players are truly rare and often are not what you need to fill your holes. But the more special players you have, the better your team is.

Remember the draft is not for next year. The draft is for 5 years from now, when needs are totally different.

I don't think Moreno is THAT special. Sure, if I thought he was going to be the next Barry Sanders or LaDanian Tomlinson, I wouldn't hesitate. But I don't get that feeling from Moreno, and neither do 11 teams picking before us in your mock. He's going to be very good, maybe great. Same feeling I get from Ryan Grant. I'm amazed that so many people consider Ryan Grant to be merely average and are calling for his demotion. Especially a demotion in favor of a rookie.

It's just not worth the pick to me, because I feel Jackson could be great as a DE and we don't have anyone else I think could be great there already. I feel Britton could be a special OT and we don't have anyone who gives me that feeling there either. Moreno doesn't strike me a whole lot more than Ryan Grant. There's the difference IMO.

You've made some really good points in this thread so I won't even attempt to combat them ... it's really more of a preference thing at this point. But, honestly, I think Moreno really *is* the second coming of Tomlinson. He just does so many things right, never takes a hit, always gets you a yard, etc...

Gotta admit, I was on his bandwagon, then off, then on again ... he's just one of the few college players I remember from last year who looked like they were on another level. The game looks so much slower to him.

Im in drunk-Moreno-spamming mood apparently (4th thread now?)... the more Ive gotten excited about shit the farther it's came from happening (so I better cool my jets).