TRADE VIEWS

[BobDobbs]

It's draft day and everybody is really excited about our picks. I am too, but that's alot to give up. I think too much. Clay Matthews has to be really good. Big gamble.

Also, that fifth round pick has to at least make the practice squad other wise we gave up three guys, including our Favre inheritance for one.

TTs 3rd round: Abdul Hodge, Jason Spitz, James Jones, Aaron Rouse, Jermichael Finley

TTs 5th round:Junius Coston, Michael Hawkins, Ingle Martin, Tony Moll, David Clowney, Breno Giancomini

Big Quality difference. on those lists.

Not to mention Ted has done pretty well in the second round so that was a valuable pick to give up. I wonder if this was a case of TT falling in love with someone and doing whatever it takes to get them. You don't want to make desperate moves on draft day.

[packrulz]

I think it was a decent trade, it was surprising that Matthews was still there. TT has probably already selected 2 young starters in this draft, and still has day 2 to go. From GBPG: Trade value

Thompson got the better value in his trade up into the first round to select outside linebacker Clay Matthews, according to one trade-value chart used by NFL teams.

The picks Thompson traded to New England (Nos. 41, 73 and 83) totaled 890 points, and the picks he received (Nos. 26 and 162) totaled 906.6 points. That’s a net gain of 16.6 points, or about the value of a late sixth-round pick.

“We have a couple, three of them,” Thompson said of the trade charts. “One’s a composite thing of different ones, one’s I think the original Cowboy one, and there’s another one. We have (director of research and development) Mike Eayrs, who works in statistics and numbers and he does things like that.

"It wasn’t a great trade, but it wasn’t a horrible trade for us from a numbers standpoint. But again, it gets to how badly do you want the player?”

[Packnut]

Mathews

Mathews will step in and start day 1. He is a big upgrade over Poppinga. Teddy's 3rd rd picks mostly have pretty much sucked in my eyes (Hodge,Rouse).

It was a FANTASTIC trade. Mathews has a ton of upside.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Mathews

Teddy's 3rd rd picks mostly have pretty much sucked in my eyes (Hodge,Rouse).

IF you want to play that game, how about Justin Harrell and David Clowney as 1st and 5th rounders? (actually, I guess Clowney is still the league, maybe the packers gave up on him too soon.)

Draft picks are never guaranteed, the odds are just better higher up the ladder. You can't say that Clay Mathews was worth more than his draft positon because his name is Clay Mathews.

[Fritz]

I'm thinking of the song "Ted E.'s in Love..." (You oldsters will remember "Chuck E.'s in Love".)

It sounds like TT kinda fell in love with Matthews. H e gave up an awful lot. Hard not to imagine (or fantasize) that if TT had waited and had Matthews dropped a bit more, TT might've been able to grab him with only the second & third.

But no one knows if Matthews would've fallen. We'll have to wait & see.

[sheepshead]

This is a very rare move for TT. I think Ol' Dom actually really really wanted this guy. This will be nothing but fun watching Matthews enthusiasm with Greenes and Capers tutelage.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is a very rare move for TT. I think Ol' Dom actually really really wanted this guy .

Ya, it makes sense that TT is inclined to to bend over backwards to make his risks on D pan out.

[sheepshead]

This is a very rare move for TT. I think Ol' Dom actually really really wanted this guy .

Ya, it makes sense that TT is inclined to to bend over backwards to make his risks on D pan out.

Sorry, I dont follow.

[Packnut]

Re: Mathews

Teddy's 3rd rd picks mostly have pretty much sucked in my eyes (Hodge,Rouse).

IF you want to play that game, how about Justin Harrell and David Clowney as 1st and 5th rounders? (actually, I guess Clowney is still the league, maybe the packers gave up on him too soon.)

Draft picks are never guaranteed, the odds are just better higher up the ladder. You can't say that Clay Mathews was worth more than his draft positon because his name is Clay Mathews.

No, but I can say he's an upgrade over the pos Poppinga. Anyone with doubts about Mathews should watch him against OS.

[packrulz]

Matthews is the total package, he can rush the passer, he can shed blocks to tackle the RB, and he can drop into pass coverage. I like him because he tackles like he's pissed off, he inflicts pain.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is a very rare move for TT. I think Ol' Dom actually really really wanted this guy .

Ya, it makes sense that TT is inclined to to bend over backwards to make his risks on D pan out.

Sorry, I dont follow.

TT has already taken a big chance on D. It makes sense that he will give Capers what he wants to make that gamble pay off.

[DonHutson]

I don't really care what the draft charts say. It's pretty apparent from taking Raji over Crabtree and from trading up for Matthews that Ted went into this hoping to get two guys that could be meaningful contributors on day one in the new defense. If they feel like Matthews is a safe bet to contribute, and that the 2nd and 3rd rounders would've been spent on guys you're HOPING would offer something - then they made a good trade.

If you come away with two impact payers in what was considered a historically weak draft, then I don't care what strings you pulled to accomplish it.

[Patler]

Re: TRADE VIEWS

This poll will ask you to give your viewpoint of whether Green Bay gave up too much to trade up from pick 41 to pick 26. In other words, who got the better deal with the picks, or did you like what we gave up for the pick we received.

Green Bay gave up their second round pick (41), two third rounders (73,83)
to New England for
New England's first round pick (26) and their fifth round pick (162)

What did the Packers give up? - Hardly anything.
Basically they gave up their own third and received a fifth for the right to move from #41 to #26. The #83 pick was a freebie, received for a player they didn't expect to have and didn't want. It took absolutely nothing away from their long range plans.

Wolf once said that the compensatory picks were an opportunity to go for broke, because the pick was a gift you didn't expect to have, it was not in your plans. It didn't matter if you wasted it. NYJ's pick for Favre was even more so, because it wasn't for a player that was lost like a compensatory pick, it was for a player the Packers wanted to retire, encouraged to retire, for which they would have been more than happy to get nothing. Losing that pick in the trade takes nothing away from the Packers long range plan.

To go from #41 to #26, the Packers moved from #73 to #162, and threw in something they didn't want in the first place (Favre).

[Lurker64]

Strictly speaking, Patler, the Favre trade to NY included a provision that if Favre retired after one year, Green Bay owed New York a 2010 6th round pick.

So, in your reasoning (which I agree with) by the way we gave up our 3rd round pick and our 6th round pick in 2010 in order to move up from #41 to #26, and netted a 2009 5th round pick in return.

Still a reasonable price.

[Bretsky]

That was a good dance by Patler but I don't agree at all. Bill Bellichek traded two third round picks for two seconds next year. Not saying TT would ever do that....but those picks have values and I haven't found a draft/point chart that makes the deal seem close.

We gave up a 2nd and two thirds for a 1st and a 5th.

However, as I've said numerous times.....while I feel BB robbed us a bit....if Matthews turns into a stud it was still worth it and I commend TT for being aggressive.