PFW : Packers, Walker moving toward complete separation

[Bretsky]

[quote="Rastak"][quote="Bretsky"]

Yes sir.

RASTAK,

You are assuming JW stays his little boy self instead of finding some sense. When TT takes a hard core stance, that is a decent option.

If JW dogs the whole year either GB can choose to franchise him or he won't get a big payday.

I'm not convinced little boy Walker will dog the whole season. But I'm not giving him away for a measley fourth; I'd rather make a point and end up with a 2nd, 3rd, or less.

It's a calculated gamble Rastak, but one GB must take. I don't think players want to come here right now; if you let a star like JW walk after some petty whining the herd may follow.

Yea, I have no idea how serious he is...he was full of crap last year so you may have the right approach.

[Murphy37]

I never said to start him for the six games. I just said to have the punter kick him in the nut bag. Pay attention.

I quoted the other dude.....actually your suggestion would remove him having to fake an injury.

Yeah I'm just being a juvenile smart ass as usual. I need a whole team of therapists.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Everyone's talking about him coming back and faking an injury. If he had a serious injury last year and comes back only to be "injured" in his first game back, doesn't that just tell other GM's all over the league that he's not back and gives him an "injury-prone" rep?

It worked for Mike McKenzie.

[MJZiggy]

I forgot. What major injury did he have before holding out?

[Rastak]

Everyone's talking about him coming back and faking an injury. If he had a serious injury last year and comes back only to be "injured" in his first game back, doesn't that just tell other GM's all over the league that he's not back and gives him an "injury-prone" rep?

It worked for Mike McKenzie.

Ziggy is kind of right. He pulls all this then he misses 10 weeks of pay and ain't no way in hell he get's a mega deal in UFA for the reasons Ziggy mentioned.


Nobody wins.

[Partial]

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!

[MJZiggy]

Only if he plays his 6 and puts up some numbers.

[Rastak]

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!

A first round pick for a guy who will be seen as a complete ass? One who hasn't caught a pass in two years? Never.

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Randy Moss was a bigger ass. Starting linebacker and the number 7 overall pick.

Walker will play well next year. He will get a mid-first.

If he doesn't play, he'll still get a mid-first because he'll want to workout for teams and get that longterm contract.

You're smoking the reefer man, Walker is no moss, but he is definitely in the top 5 receivers and he is young in football years too.

[Bretsky]

McKenzie wasn't coming off a serious injury though. McKenzie was solid, not great. J-Walk is one of the best receivers in the league guys. He will net us a first if they franchise him. Guaranteed!

A first round pick for a guy who will be seen as a complete ass? One who hasn't caught a pass in two years? Never.

JAVON WALKER CAN MAKE HIS OWN BED, BUT GREEN BAY DOESN"T NEED TO GET HIM A COMFORTABLE CUSHION FOR IT.

If he doesn't warrant a first, then he hasn't played well enough to get the big fat contract he craves.

Either he succeeds or his missed out on the might buck.

[Rastak]

Randy Moss was a bigger ass. Starting linebacker and the number 7 overall pick.

Walker will play well next year. He will get a mid-first.

If he doesn't play, he'll still get a mid-first because he'll want to workout for teams and get that longterm contract.

You're smoking the reefer man, Walker is no moss, but he is definitely in the top 5 receivers and he is young in football years too.

Randy set all time NFL records for how quickly he amased yards and touchdowns. Walker started slow and had one good year....no way they net a mid first......how can you even consider those two guys in the same paragraph?

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I plain as day said he's no moss. However, Playmakers come at a price. Javon is one of the true game-altering playmakers in the league. In my opinion, there is moss, to, then javon. He did have his one good year. Keep in mind he hasn't played football for very many years. He was a baseball player. He played what one year of college ball? He's just a freakish athlete who gets bigger and stronger every year like TO.

You can say other receivers are better, but I don't but it. They may get more yards, more touchdowns, or more receptions, but again stats lie. Randy Moss is the best receiver in the league and the past several years his stats did not reflect that. He is the best distraction in the league. He is triple teamed every play.

Walker draws a constant double team and opens everything else up. The man is a true threat. Definitely will get a first for him if he is stronger(which i've heard he put on about 10 pounds) and can still run as fast as he did.

[Bretsky]

Hmmmmmmmmm

Receivers clearly better than a healthy Javon Walker

Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Tory Holt
Steve Smith
Chad Johnson

Maybe Hines Ward ?

Regardless I'd agree that JW brings us a first if healthy. Mid to late 1st.

[Partial]

Hmmmmmmmmm

Receivers clearly better than a healthy Javon Walker

Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Tory Holt
Steve Smith
Chad Johnson

Maybe Hines Ward ?

Regardless I'd agree that JW brings us a first if healthy. Mid to late 1st.

Moss, yes.
Owens, yes.
Holt? Holt is more a posession guy than a big play big time receiver like walker. Walker is certaintly a better deep threat and explosive player. I say no.
Steve Smith - eh? Steve Smith is good, but must we all so soon forget that like Steve Smith, Walker had a career year two years ago, his first real chance to shine. He led the league in receiving yards for most of the year and finished at the top of every category.
Chad Johnson - yes.

Hines Ward - not even close.

Some of those players may be better football players than Javon Walker, but they are not bigger playmakers. Holt is an amazing posession receiver. He is fast and has great hands. Smith is too small to be a deep threat and is like lightning, but JWalk is also extremely fast.

Keep in mind Walker has played 3 complete seasons, and only two years of college ball. He is still very young in football years! Factoring in how every year he has come in about 10 pounds bigger and stronger, I am going to ahead and say that he is dominating and will only get better.

He works out with TO in the off-season. If he gets to be the size of TO he will be equally dominating.

[woodbuck27]

Then let him rot and franchise him. If he shows what it takes to be in the top 5 number 1s in the league, somebody will give a first rounder for him.

Moss, coming off a mooning and massive embarrassment to his franchise not to mention a grotesque sum of money netted the vikings a starting linebacker and the #7 overall pick in what was deemed the deal of the century.

If I am the Packers, I don't accept anything less than the Broncos #22 pick. I let him play his 6 games and show that he still has it so he makes the big bucks, or I let him fake an injury. Either way, what I do right now is I tell Javon he will be franchised, and if he wants a long term deal he had better come in ready to perform. That would be the best thing they could do. Since this season has already started, they cannot change any rule that would prohibit this.

So let me get this straight, he sits for 10 weeks then comes back and fakes an injury. You STILL don't know if he's 100%. Next year you franchise him so he gets top 5 in the league money without having seen him play.
He doesn't sign the franchise tender until the last minute missing all of camp for the second straight year. He gets "hurt" soon after and makes about 7 mil. Does this make sense?

I can't see it making any sense to Ted Thompson.

JW isn't worth Franchise Tag money. Geeee let's see. He's possibly got that serious injury again and played one or more games this Season and Ted will double his rubles from his first contract by franchising him?

NOPE !