PFW : Packers, Walker moving toward complete separation

[Guiness]

Yes sir.

If we have to keep him and he is only ok, then fine. Pay him 7 mil for one year and let him go. It's not like we're in a tight squeeze against the cap by any means.

When you Franchise him though, someone will pounce for a second round pick minimum. It is tough to find a big, physical receiver.

I don't get why another team would give the Pack a 1st or 2nd rounder for him NEXT year, when he's franchised. If they were willing to give that up, why wouldn't they do it now?

[MJZiggy]

'cause he will have played this year to show them what he can do.

[Guiness]

I never said to start him for the six games. I just said to have the punter kick him in the nut bag. Pay attention.

I quoted the other dude.....actually your suggestion would remove him having to fake an injury.

Yeah I'm just being a juvenile smart ass as usual. I need a whole team of therapists.

Nah, you were right on. I know some guys from Winnepeg - they'd appreciate your sense of humour. That punter we signed from the Blue Bombers would likely be up for it!

I talked to a guy who watched him in practice. He regularly booms off 70 yarders with no rush...wow, that would smart

[imscott72]

TT has always said he'll do whats best for the Green Bay Packers. Accepting anything less than a VERY high 2nd or a 1st for someone of Javon's talent isn't whats best for the team. Make his whiny ass sit and sweat it out. I'm so fed up with these guys playing this game. Dammit, take a stand and make him earn his big payday just like everyone else has to. How is his greedy family going to like it when he's has no salary coming in this year??

[Bretsky]

Hmmmmmmmmm

Receivers clearly better than a healthy Javon Walker

Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Tory Holt
Steve Smith
Chad Johnson

Maybe Hines Ward ?

Regardless I'd agree that JW brings us a first if healthy. Mid to late 1st.

Moss, yes.
Owens, yes.
Holt? Holt is more a posession guy than a big play big time receiver like walker. Walker is certaintly a better deep threat and explosive player. I say no.
Steve Smith - eh? Steve Smith is good, but must we all so soon forget that like Steve Smith, Walker had a career year two years ago, his first real chance to shine. He led the league in receiving yards for most of the year and finished at the top of every category.
Chad Johnson - yes.

Hines Ward - not even close.

Some of those players may be better football players than Javon Walker, but they are not bigger playmakers. Holt is an amazing posession receiver. He is fast and has great hands. Smith is too small to be a deep threat and is like lightning, but JWalk is also extremely fast.

Keep in mind Walker has played 3 complete seasons, and only two years of college ball. He is still very young in football years! Factoring in how every year he has come in about 10 pounds bigger and stronger, I am going to ahead and say that he is dominating and will only get better.

He works out with TO in the off-season. If he gets to be the size of TO he will be equally dominating.

WOW,
My only comment is your greatly underestimate Tory Holt. He may not have the size, but he's the best route runner in the NFL and a better WR than Javon Walker.

[Partial]

Holt is a great receiver, don't get me wrong, i'd kill for him!! but Walker is a bigger threat to take it to the house everytime. You cannot teach size and Walker is a big man that is hard to take down with the ability to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball

[Bretsky]

Holt is a great receiver, don't get me wrong, i'd kill for him!! but Walker is a bigger threat to take it to the house everytime. You cannot teach size and Walker is a big man that is hard to take down with the ability to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. IMO Holt is a greater threat than Walker to get open consistently and take it to the House. Yes, Walker will break more tackles, but honestly he doesn't break that many. But Holt gets wide open much more often going to the house. Last year on Sunday Night FB they isolated Holt on a change of direction fly pattern and quoted some scouts saying Holt is the only receiver in the NFL to master that route which most WR's are not even capable of running. Holt is a huge playmaker.

[Partial]

I guess I haven't seen him enough to judge his play. He always seemed to be such a good receiver since he was with a great number 2 and running game, with an offense geared at the big play.

I'll watch him and see what happens. He's definitely top 10 in my opinion, probably about number 5. Walker just squeeks him past because he is such a deep threat, but we'll have to see, i've been wrong before.

[imscott72]

I've gotta agree with B on this one. Holt is better than JWalk. Plus holt has done it for years, JWalk has one good year under his belt. JWalk has to show me more before he's in Holt's league..

[HarveyWallbangers]

Holt is better than Walker.

[b bulldog]

hOLT is way better than Walker.

[woodbuck27]

hOLT is way better than Walker.

Walker = HOLT ? NOPE ! Tory Holt is one of the men at WR.

[Partial]

dude you guys just watch. Walker is gonna come in at like 230 and faster than ever and be a monster. Walker is a workoutaholic like TO. Unfortunately, he is getting the big head and ego of TO, too.

Holt is probably a better posession receiver. If you need the big play though, I am telling ya Walker's combination of size, speed and explosiveness is matched by few, and Holt is not in the same ballpark!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Walker is better on the deep balls because of his leaping ability and height, but Holt is better in just better everything else (hands, route running, RAC, sideline catches, etc.).

[imscott72]

dude you guys just watch. Walker is gonna come in at like 230 and faster than ever and be a monster. Walker is a workoutaholic like TO. Unfortunately, he is getting the big head and ego of TO, too.

Holt is probably a better posession receiver. If you need the big play though, I am telling ya Walker's combination of size, speed and explosiveness is matched by few, and Holt is not in the same ballpark!

Holt's last 3 years

2003-04 St. Louis 16 117 1696 106.0 14.5 48 3.2 84 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
2004-05 St. Louis 16 94 1372 85.8 14.6 75 3.3 58 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1
2005-06 St. Louis 14 102 1331 95.1 13.0 44 2.4 63 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1
Career Totals (Full) 110 619 9487 86.2 15.3 85 3.8 424 54 0 0 0.0 0 0 3 15 5.0 11 0 15 7

Walker's last 3 yrs

2003-04 Green Bay 16 41 716 44.8 17.5 66 4.3 27 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1
2004-05 Green Bay 16 89 1382 86.4 15.5 79 3.9 63 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
2005-06 Green Bay 1 4 27 27.0 6.8 9 0.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Career Totals (Full) 48 157 2444 50.9 15.6 79 3.9 106 22 35 769 22.0 55 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 4 4


Walker was a monster in 04-05 sure, but he's no Torry Holt..Walker need to show he can do it more than once, Torri has done that..