PFW : Packers, Walker moving toward complete separation

[HarveyWallbangers]

Holt's last 3 years

2003-04 St. Louis  16 117 1696 106.0 14.5 48 3.2 84 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
2004-05 St. Louis  16  94 1372  85.8 14.6 75 3.3 58 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1
2005-06 St. Louis  14 102 1331  95.1 13.0 44 2.4 63 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1
Career Totals     110 619 9487  86.2 15.3 85 3.8 424 54 0 0 0.0 0 0 3 15 5.0 11 0 15 7

Walker's last 3 yrs

2003-04 Green Bay  16  41  716 44.8 17.5 66 4.3  27 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1
2004-05 Green Bay  16  89 1382 86.4 15.5 79 3.9  63 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
2005-06 Green Bay   1   4   27 27.0  6.8  9 0.0   2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Career Totals      48 157 2444 50.9 15.6 79 3.9 106 22 35 769 22.0 55 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 4 4

[esoxx]

Holt is better than Walker.

So is Marvin Harrison.

[Bretsky]

dude you guys just watch. Walker is gonna come in at like 230 and faster than ever and be a monster. Walker is a workoutaholic like TO. Unfortunately, he is getting the big head and ego of TO, too.

Holt is probably a better posession receiver. If you need the big play though, I am telling ya Walker's combination of size, speed and explosiveness is matched by few, and Holt is not in the same ballpark!

Partial,

Walker will have some pains working through the knee injury. You really need to watch Holt more. Isaac Bruce is the possession receiver. Holt is not. He is the playmaker. He's the 3rd best WR in the NFL.

[Partial]

Harvey, the one season that is even comparable between the two would be the 2004 season. The other two should be thrown out. Walker played one quarter in one of the seasons. The other season was his second season and he was the third wideout. It is not fair to compare a player's 5th season stats to someone in his second when trying to compare the two.

As you can see, in 2004, the one comparable year, they were virtually identical receivers. In 2004, Holt had 10 touchdowns. Walker had 12. If anything, Walker showed he is the better receiver.

This is neglecting the fact that Walker began playing football in 2000 in college. Holt began playing pro ball in 1999. Holt is a much more experienced wide receiver in all the years you compared. I don't think thats fair.

By the time you could call them both veterans, Javon has put up better stats.

[Bretsky]

[quote="Partial"]Harvey, the one season that is even comparable between the two would be the 2004 season. The other two should be thrown out. Walker played one quarter in one of the seasons. The other season was his second season and he was the third wideout. It is not fair to compare a player's 5th season stats to someone in his second when trying to compare the two.

As you can see, in 2004, the one comparable year, they were virtually identical receivers. In 2004, Holt had 10 touchdowns. Walker had 12. If anything, Walker showed he is the better receiver.

This is neglecting the fact that Walker began playing football in 2000 in college. Holt began playing pro ball in 1999. Holt is a much more experienced wide receiver in all the years you compared. I don't think thats fair.




Once again we'll have to agree to disagree, but it's fun arguing with ya cause we agree on almost everything.

I'll come right out and admit the Rams are my second favorite team since the days of Vince Ferragamo in the 80's so I've watched Holt very closely for that reason and also the fact that he's been on several of my auction teams. He's a better and more consistent big time playmaker than JW.

When healthy Walker is certainly in the top 5-7 WR's. Maybe top 4-6, but he is not in the same class as Tory Holt. Walker has had one year that was a Holt like year. He'll never have the hands, route running ability, or ability to get open on every pattern that Holt does. He'll always have the edge in height and leaping ability so the potential will be there, but he's never been as talented as Holt. Holt was the better college player at NC State and the better pro.

[HarveyWallbangers]

When they are healthy, he is my WR rankings:

1) Randy Moss (barely stays healthy anymore though)
2) Terrell Owens
3) Chad Johnson
4) Torry Holt
5) Marvin Harrison
6) Steve Smith
7) Anquan Boldin
8) Javon Walker
9) Hines Ward
10) Maybe Larry Fitzgerald, but Donald Driver is right there (he's so underrated it's sick)