09 defensive depth

[Guiness]

[quote="Fritz"]

Matthews on the other hand... I only expect him to be able to offer pass rush this year. He's very light in his lower body, and gets shoved around pretty easily... he may be able to press the corner, but on run downs, NFL lineman are going to kick his ass until he has at least a year in an NFL weight program and adds about 10 lbs.

I wouldn't like anybody, not even a guy, saying that about me....

At least he didn't say the dreaded lacks thickness.

[mraynrand]

[quote="Guiness"]

Matthews on the other hand... I only expect him to be able to offer pass rush this year. He's very light in his lower body, and gets shoved around pretty easily... he may be able to press the corner, but on run downs, NFL lineman are going to kick his ass until he has at least a year in an NFL weight program and adds about 10 lbs.

I wouldn't like anybody, not even a guy, saying that about me....

At least he didn't say the dreaded lacks thickness.

size matters.

[KYPack]

Without looking, I can't remember exactly what changes were made to the rules regarding ST's. I remember it was something about limiting the size of the wedge, which you would think would make the gunner's job a bit easier. Do the rule changes increase or decrease Bush's value?

The rules committee limited the size (there's that word again) of the wedge. Most teams used a 3 man wedge. The new rules limits the wedge to two guys. There will be changes, but whose role will be limited remains to be seen.

The gunners on kick-offs are the two widest players (called L5 and R5) nearest the sidelines. Their job is to fly to the ball. The two guys inside them (L4 & R4) usually cross paths and have wide contain. The two goofs closest to the kicker are the wedge busters. Rarely do both of 'em hit the wedge on the same play. One guy hammers the wedge and does his disruption. The other guy loops and helps the remaining 4 players (L2&3, R2&3) get the ball carrier.

I doubt teams will now only use 1 guy as a buster. I'd still have L1 and R1 as the hammers. If anything, good gunners like Bush will have even more importance. This new rulr will NOT reduce injuries on the craziest play in sports, but it will bring change.

[KYPack]

Made some changes per Harve's suggestions. I didn't start Matthews, but yeah that could happen. Chillar should have been listed over Lasagna, that was a scew-up on my part. I also moved Underwood. You guys will love this kid. He can run, play corner and safety well and brings the wood on ST. They may put Wynn at LDE for balance.

DEFENSIVE DEPTH CHART

LDE
Johnny Jolly
Justin Harrell


NT
Ryan Pickett
B.J. Raji
Fred Bledsoe
A Toribio
Brian Soi

RDE
Cullen Jenkins
Alfred Malone
Michael Montgomery
Jarius Wynn

LOLB
A Kampman
Jeremy Thompson
Brad Jones


LILB
A Hawk
D Bishop
S Havner

RILB
Nick Barnett
B Chillar
D Lansanha

ROLB
B Poppinga
Clay Matthews
J Hunter

RCB
Al Harris
Tramon Williams
Jarrett Bush
Brandon Underwood
Joe Porter

FS
Nick Collins
S Rouse
C Peprah

SS
A Bigby
A Smith

LCB
C Woodson
W Blackmon
P Lee

[HarveyWallbangers]

Battles:

HB - Kregg Lumpkin, Deshawn Wynn, and Tyrell Sutton for one HB spot (outside shot at two HB spots)

FB - Quinn Johnson, Korey Hall, John Kuhn for two FB spots.

WR - Ruvell Martin, Jamarko Simmons, JaRon Harris, Brett Swain, etc. for one WR spot (outside shot at two WR spots).

TE - Tory Humphrey and Evan Moore for one TE spot.

OL - Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini, Scott Wells, T.J. Lang, Jamon Meredith, Duke Preston, Tony Moll for four or five OL spots.

DL - Alfred Malone, Mike Montgomery and Jarius Wynn for one DE spot.

LB - Brandon Chillar, Brady Poppinga, Jeremy Thompson, Jason Hunter, Desmond Bishop, Spencer Havner, Danny Lansanah, Brad Jones for four to six LB spots.

CB - Jarret Bush, Brandon Underwood, Anthony Smith, Aaron Rouse, and Charlie Peprah for two or three DB spots.

[3irty1]

Battles:

HB - Kregg Lumpkin, Deshawn Wynn, and Tyrell Sutton for one HB spot (outside shot at two HB spots)

FB - Quinn Johnson, Korey Hall, John Kuhn for two FB spots.

WR - Ruvell Martin, Jamarko Simmons, JaRon Harris, Brett Swain, etc. for one WR spot (outside shot at two WR spots).

TE - Tory Humphrey and Evan Moore for one TE spot.

OL - Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini, Scott Wells, T.J. Lang, Jamon Meredith, Duke Preston, Tony Moll for four or five OL spots.

DL - Alfred Malone, Mike Montgomery and Jarius Wynn for one DE spot.

LB - Brandon Chillar, Brady Poppinga, Jeremy Thompson, Jason Hunter, Desmond Bishop, Spencer Havner, Danny Lansanah, Brad Jones for four to six LB spots.

CB - Jarret Bush, Brandon Underwood, Anthony Smith, Aaron Rouse, and Charlie Peprah for two or three DB spots.

I wouldn't count Blackmon out of that CB battle. Especially if Ruvell gets beaten out by someone like JaRon Harris with some wheels.

[Guiness]

Battles:
FB - Quinn Johnson, Korey Hall, John Kuhn for two FB spots.

I like that group. Do we go with 2 though? Unless there are different roles, I don' see it.

LB - Brandon Chillar, Brady Poppinga, Jeremy Thompson, Jason Hunter, Desmond Bishop, Spencer Havner, Danny Lansanah, Brad Jones for four to six LB spots.

I don't see Chillar as being in a battle. He played well last year, and has a reasonable contract.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Harvey, you got to include Andy Brodell fighting for a WR spot. (It's more like others will be fighting him for the spot.)

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't see Chillar as being in a battle. He played well last year, and has a reasonable contract.

I actually agree with you. I'd also put Jeremy Thompson in the safe group, and Hunter may have a better shot then most think--because of special teams.

[jmbarnes101]

We're starting to get battles for spots among guys I really don't want to see cut but that's a good thing right?

I think Moll, Wells, Swain, Montgomery, Peprah, Porter, Havner, and Lansanah are gone for sure but the rest should be really interesting.

[KYPack]

We're starting to get battles for spots among guys I really don't want to see cut but that's a good thing right?

I think Moll, Wells, Swain, Montgomery, Peprah, Porter, Havner, and Lansanah are gone for sure but the rest should be really interesting.

He's the starting center, fer crissakes.

Anything can happen, but he's not "for sure" to be cut.

[Joemailman]

Offensive Line: (9) Locks: Clifton, Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Giacomini, Preston, Lang, Meredith/ One Of These Guys: Moll, Wells, Barbre

Quarterback: (3) Rodgers, Brohm, Flynn

Running Back: (3) Locks: Grant, Jackson/ One of these guys: Lumpkin, Wynn, Sutton

Fullback: (2) Two of these guys: Johnson, Hall, Kuhn

Tight End (3) Locks: Lee, Finley/ One of these guys: Humphrey, Moore

Wide Receiver (5) Locks: Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Jones/ One of these guys: Martin, Simmons

Defensive Line: (6) Locks: Raji, Pickett, Jenkins/ Three Of these guys: Harrell, Jolly, Montgomery, Malone, Wynn

Linebacker: (9) Locks: Hawk, Barnett, Kampman, Matthews, Poppings, Thompson/ Three of These Guys Bishop, Chillar, Hunter, Lansanah, Jones

Secondary: (9) Locks: Woodson, Harris, Bigby, Collins, Williams, Smith/ Three of these guys: Bush, Lee, Peprah, Rouse, Underwood

Special Teams: (4) Crosby, Goode, Blackmon/ One of these guys: Kapinos, Brooks

[vince]

You forgot Barbre Joe, who I hope is a lock.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 10 o-linemen and only 2 tight ends this year.

[Joemailman]

You're right, I did forget Barbre, (now fixed) who I do not consider a lock. I do like his chances better than Wells or Moll though.

[mission]

Offensive Line: (9) Locks: Clifton, Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Giacomini, Preston, Lang, Meredith/ One Of These Guys: Moll, Wells, Barbre

Quarterback: (3) Rodgers, Brohm, Flynn

Running Back: (3) Locks: Grant, Jackson/ One of these guys: Lumpkin, Wynn, Sutton

Fullback: (2) Two of these guys: Johnson, Hall, Kuhn

Tight End (3) Locks: Lee, Finley/ One of these guys: Humphrey, Moore

Wide Receiver (5) Locks: Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Jones/ One of these guys: Martin, Simmons

Defensive Line: (6) Locks: Raji, Pickett, Jenkins/ Three Of these guys: Harrell, Jolly, Montgomery, Malone, Wynn

Linebacker: (9) Locks: Hawk, Barnett, Kampman, Matthews, Poppings, Thompson/ Three of These Guys Bishop, Chillar, Hunter, Lansanah, Jones

Secondary: (9) Locks: Woodson, Harris, Bigby, Collins, Williams, Smith/ Three of these guys: Bush, Lee, Peprah, Rouse, Underwood

Special Teams: (4) Crosby, Goode, Blackmon/ One of these guys: Kapinos, Brooks

Good post, thanks. Really paints a clear picture ... homerism aside (is that possible?), I think we're in really good shape. Some guys are going to end up cut that make other NFL rosters.